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How do i disable APM?

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#1 ·
Before i begin i would like to state there is nothing wrong with any of my drives so dont say its a hardware problem its not its a software problem
Long story short but i finally bought a second SSD and a copy of Windows 10 and installed it last weekend and other than a few problem i was able to fix it has been fine

BUT! there is one thing i already absolutely HATE about Windows 10 and that is how the god damm APM (advanced power management) is non stop trying to park the heads on all my Seagate Ironwolf drives which is making the most annoying clicking sound which is not only driving me insane! its also going to break my $2000 worth of drives if it keeps doing this

How do i turn the damm APM off i tried looking in Windows settings and turned everything off and that does not help APM is still parking the head on my drives

Heard that you could turn it off with Crystal Disk Info but all APM options are grey there so how get them to work
Nothing i have tried works and nothing i found on google has helped either and if i cant turn APM off in Windows 10 i am going back to 7 and never using 10 again!
 
#2 ·
Right Click on Start button -> Power Options -> Additional Power Settings

Click "change plan settings" under whatever plan you're gonna use, then "Change Advanced Power Settings."

Change "Turn off hard disk after:" to 0.

If that doesn't work, then you have other issues.
 
#3 · (Edited)
Sory but that does not help but i think i have might found the problem as i had forgotten to intall Intel Rapid Storage Technology and there is a way to turn off APM from there

Again there is no hardware problems and there is nothing wrong with any of my drives its a software problem not a hardware problem
I dont need to do any RMA or return any of my drives there is nothing wrong with them, its actually a very common problem with Windows 10 and all the usual options to turn off APM did not work

Edit: Nope did not work
 
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#5 · (Edited)
Thanks going to try that later as i am using Windows 7 right now

And sory i was so rude last night i was up for over an hour past midnight trying to find the problem with the clicking noises going on and getting more and more frustrated and angry trying to find out why APM cant be turned off no matter what i tried

Ended up rage quiting and going to bed
Looked in the BIOS as well and there is nothing in there and the problem is only in Windows 10 so its a problem with Windows 10 and not the drives

Edit: cant use that program as it only works on one drive at a time
Even tried using another power on my fourth drive which is the 10 TB and that did nothing

Seems like the only way for me to use Windows 10 is to cut the power to all HDD´s before turning on the PC in which case whats the damm point
Maybe i should build a PC just for gaming and Windows 10 and keep my media/server PC on Windows 7

Tried everything i can think of and nothing works
 
#7 · (Edited)
Do i need to buy the full version of that program or is the free version good enough?
Going to try it out later but i wont get my hopes up

My friend has a 10 TB Ironwolf (not the pro version) and he has never had this problem

All of the threads i found online had the problem fixed by turning power savings off in Windows or Intel Rapid Storage Technology or using the Quiet HDD program and none of those things work in my case

You can also turn off APM using CrystalDiskInfo but the option to do that are grey and N/A on my PC so anyone know how you get that option to work with CrystalDiskInfo?

Edit: it seems to be working but i am not 100% sure yet as every time i thought the problem was fixing the clicking from hell came back
 
#8 ·
Perhaps disabling the entire Windows Power Service via Services in Task Manager?
Is there no per-drive Allow Windows to Power Down this Device or Sleep setting in the real Device Manager found in the real Control Panel like for the USB ports?
 
#9 ·
Hard disk sentinel seems to have fixed the problem at least so far but i am not 100% sure yet
Its 22,5 euros for the standard version and if that stops the clicking then its money well spent

One of the most frustrating problems i have had in a long long time
 
#11 · (Edited)
If the Windows do not spin down disks doesn't work then such power saving feature is likely built into the HDD firmware itself and the only way to keep it from spinning down is to keep using it in some way periodically. All drive makers do this, some series run fine and don't spin down, others the power saving kind tend to have all these HDD killing power saving schemes built in that are also noisy.

You could also just create a simple file access script that runs repeatedly without caching to keep a drive spinning and not power down. It's probably what some software you buy does anyway.

Crystal Disk Info APM works for my Seagate drives showing 80h value:
Maximum performance FEh
Intermediate power management levels without Standby 81h-FDh
Minimum power consumption without Standby 80h
Intermediate power management levels with Standby 02h-7Fh
Minimum power consumption with Standby 01h
Reserved FFh
Reserved 00h
Aka max power saving with no spin down.
 
#15 ·
If the Windows do not spin down disks doesn't work then such power saving feature is likely built into the HDD firmware itself and the only way to keep it from spinning down is to keep using it in some way periodically. All drive makers do this, some series run fine and don't spin down, others the power saving kind tend to have all these HDD killing power saving schemes built in that are also noisy.

You could also just create a simple file access script that runs repeatedly without caching to keep a drive spinning and not power down. It's probably what some software you buy does anyway.
On my WD drives, I could change this behavior with a "wdidle3.exe" DOS command line tool that WD was providing. The drive is saving this change internally and is not forgetting it after a power-off.

I tried to look for something similar for Seagate drives and ran into this set of tools here:

https://www.seagate.com/support/software/seachest/

The documentation is here:

http://support.seagate.com/seachest/SeaChest_Combo_UserGuides.html

A person in this following forum thread shows the command to run to disable the power saving stuff of the drive:

https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t=130439

That "idle_b" feature is supposedly the one that's doing the head parking and causing the noise.

About how to use those tools, I guess you could try to use a Linux installation media, for example Ubuntu's installation media. You would boot from it and go into the desktop environment that's on the media. You then use its web browser to visit that seagate website and download the tool and then try to use it. It'll be hard if you never worked at a command line.
 
#16 ·
Hard disk sentinel seems to fixed the problem and i just bought the standard version as it keeps nagging me to buy it so i did
Thanks Eddie Obscurant
 
#17 ·
Yeah I just read the PWDIS... what a moron designed it to break compatibility and boost sales of new hardware.

It's not just Windows issue, it's hard drive maker's issue, they don't make all drives the same, some have certain features enabled, some disabled, different settings, some settings you can apparently change, I always used the Windows do not spin down HDD option and it worked fine, didn't bother looking up the APM, AAM, only now again that it's hidden in Crystal Disk Info. Can change APM not AAM, no idea about my other 3 disconnected drives but the 2 Seagates are fine and APM is ON at 80h = no spin down and they've been mostly fine noise wise.

An external WD green drive, yeah that thing never wanted to stop sleeping and parking no matter how hard I tried and what tools I used back when I was still using it. The only way was to access it periodically. OS didn't matter at all.

The APM/AAM is probably pre set from factory on HDDs.

Why do they like to park the heads and cause noise so much... probably so the drives die sooner and you have to buy a new one.
 
#18 · (Edited)
I have used Windows 7 since 2010 and i have never had problem like this with Windows 7 so the first thing i thought when i heard the clicking noises was that my drives where dying
But all 4 at once? not very likely so i did some digging and found out about this APM crap

Its only on Windows 10 they dont do it not on Windows 7 so i wonder why?
Spent hours trying to fix it last night staying up very late and lost a lot of sleep because of it
 
#19 ·
I had no issues with it on Win8.1 and 10. Used other other hardware on XP before. Skipped the whole Vista and 7 shenanigans, even 8.1 is too dated unsupported a while.

Why does the Crystal Disk Info not allow you to change APM but other software may allow it? That is weird.
 
#20 ·
I have no clue
 
#23 ·
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\iaStorAC\Parameters - EnableAPM
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\storahci\Parameters - EnableAPM
 
#25 ·
Sorry u can delete my post, unless i can? By the way do you know how to disable AMD APM in windows? Thanks