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cpus are coming out way to quick
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they need to atleast get piledriver out before they start leaking on steamroller.
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I finally get to see the world I've only seen in sci-fi movies!!!
THIS. Exactly what I want. Exactly what consumerists like Apple are trying to event. AMD is acknowledging it, and supporting it... and that's what I love to see
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way too early to talk about steamroller.Originally Posted by Evil Penguin
Steamroller is looking promising.
If its going to be better then pile drive and supports am3+ boards then it could save the company but if they ain't going to fix the mess on the bulldozer then they are going to lose a lot of customers ( on the CPU side )
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Still if 30% is accurate I might just buy one to bolt my phase unit too
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It's because they know that in order to still be competitive they need to work on IPC.Originally Posted by erunion
AMD talking about IPC? Now even they are intel trolls!
Still if 30% is accurate I might just buy one to bolt my phase unit too
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AMD have already said Piledriver will be the last AM3+ cpu iircOriginally Posted by deathdeal3r
If its going to be better then pile drive and supports am3+ boards then it could save the company but if they ain't going to fix the mess on the bulldozer then they are going to loose a lot of customers ( on the CPU side )
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Their bullet point on "Push on performance/watt" is the key here. A CPU architecture is usually limited by its power consumption and thermal output, so it matters not what the IPC or the clock rate are as long as it does more work per watt than the previous architecture.
It says both "maintain high-frequency engine" AND "improve single-core execution". This is IPC done right, not just 'IPC alone trumps all'. The issue is that, historically, extremely high IPC architectures had quite limited clock speeds, so you still need to balance both sides of the equation to get a fast architecture.Originally Posted by erunion
AMD talking about IPC? Now even they are intel trolls!
Their bullet point on "Push on performance/watt" is the key here. A CPU architecture is usually limited by its power consumption and thermal output, so it matters not what the IPC or the clock rate are as long as it does more work per watt than the previous architecture.
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And the AM3+ platform is already very limited. Maintaining backwards compatibility is hurting AMD's ability to improve, they definitely need a new socket and break all ties with AM3+.
Do you really think they wanted to release Bulldozer the way it was? Do you seriously think that they would intentionally release an inferior product if they had a choice?Originally Posted by deathdeal3r
If its going to be better then pile drive and supports am3+ boards then it could save the company but if they ain't going to fix the mess on the bulldozer then they are going to loose a lot of customers ( on the CPU side )
And the AM3+ platform is already very limited. Maintaining backwards compatibility is hurting AMD's ability to improve, they definitely need a new socket and break all ties with AM3+.
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all I see is core execution, and ops pre cycle. :-/
I don't see any mention of IPC in those slides ?Originally Posted by erunion
AMD talking about IPC? Now even they are intel trolls!
all I see is core execution, and ops pre cycle. :-/
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Maybe it can happen, who knows.
Never say never. AMD dominated the Pentium 4 era of chips, at a time when people counted them down and out (most people considered them a company that only made "clone" chips up to the 486.).Originally Posted by DarkBlade6
By then, Intel will be light years ahead
Maybe it can happen, who knows.
Hopefully they can just release a cpu that won't HARDcore bottleneck a high-end gpu setup. I mean, why can't they coordinate their cpu's and gpu's a little to offer incentive to own an amd cpu. What kind of company releases a cpu that will bottleneck their own gpus? An 8150 will bottleneck crossfire 7970's, so now Me forced to run Intel + AMD.
Oh well. Intel is king, and looks like it will stay that way for a long time.
Oh well. Intel is king, and looks like it will stay that way for a long time.
Good to hear, it should make for an interesting performance jump, Sony must feel confident it is good enough to use the architecture in the PS4.
They are fixing the flaws Bulldozer has as an architecture, there are now two decoders per module, each one feeding one integer core and also able to work with the fpu. Proof that too much sharing is not such a good idea.
It will be interesting to see what performance per watt and TDP will be for Steamroller. Piledriver is supposedly able to hit the clockspeeds AMD desired for Bulldozer, while improving a little on performance, but the TDP is still way too high for a CPU that has no built-in GPU and no PCIe controller. The FX-4320 will supposedly have a 95w TDP, which, while better than the 125w TDP of the FX-4170, it is still too high, unless they are overinflating real values so that motherboard makers don't skimp on vrms so people can overclock more freely (to make up for performance differences versus Intel).
They are fixing the flaws Bulldozer has as an architecture, there are now two decoders per module, each one feeding one integer core and also able to work with the fpu. Proof that too much sharing is not such a good idea.
It will be interesting to see what performance per watt and TDP will be for Steamroller. Piledriver is supposedly able to hit the clockspeeds AMD desired for Bulldozer, while improving a little on performance, but the TDP is still way too high for a CPU that has no built-in GPU and no PCIe controller. The FX-4320 will supposedly have a 95w TDP, which, while better than the 125w TDP of the FX-4170, it is still too high, unless they are overinflating real values so that motherboard makers don't skimp on vrms so people can overclock more freely (to make up for performance differences versus Intel).
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To make things even more obvious, the A8-5600K has a 100w TDP even though the only thing it has faster than the A10-5700 is a 200MHz higher stock speed. The CPU turbo is 100MHz less at 3.9GHz and while GPU clock is the same it only has 256 compute units
I believe this is the case because the Piledriver-based A10-5700 has only a 65w TDP, yet it runs 4 "cores" at 3.4 to 4.0GHz AND has an integrated Radeon HD 7660D at 760MHz with 384 compute units.Originally Posted by tpi2007
he FX-4320 will supposedly have a 95w TDP, which, while better than the 125w TDP of the FX-4170, it is still too high, unless they are overinflating real values so that motherboard makers don't skimp on vrms so people can overclock more freely (to make up for performance differences versus Intel).
To make things even more obvious, the A8-5600K has a 100w TDP even though the only thing it has faster than the A10-5700 is a 200MHz higher stock speed. The CPU turbo is 100MHz less at 3.9GHz and while GPU clock is the same it only has 256 compute units
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I know this. Nonetheless the Athlon dominated the Pentium 4 when nobody considered AMD relevant. I'm sure it could happen again. Its a long shot but its not impossible.Originally Posted by erunion
That wasn't a perception. That's what they made. Socket compatible Intel clones.
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People talking about pile driver but yet the last pile driver chip ( fx-8350 or 8300 forgot which one ) is probbely going to be a game changer if the benchmarks are true .
I will always think Intel has faster chips but amd is "bang for the buck "
Also is there A app for this website? I'm veiwing the on my HTC desire lol
It will take years for amd to catch up.Originally Posted by xoleras
I know this. Nonetheless the Athlon dominated the Pentium 4 when nobody considered AMD relevant. I'm sure it could happen again. Its a long shot but its not impossible.
People talking about pile driver but yet the last pile driver chip ( fx-8350 or 8300 forgot which one ) is probbely going to be a game changer if the benchmarks are true .
I will always think Intel has faster chips but amd is "bang for the buck "
Also is there A app for this website? I'm veiwing the on my HTC desire lol
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