saw same behavior on my g102 and i thought its my dirty mouse pad

 

Nah, it's neither of those. As I said, I tested it with 3 different mice, the G203 and QCK got delivered just today, so they are brand new, so it's definitely not mouse/mousepad related. It's either software related or the rest of the pc.

 

Check out your frame rate and frame times to see if there are any spikes.

 

Doubt it's related to the problem since the game isn't lagging, just the cursor. If there were spikes the game would stutter too, but I will check it tomorrow just for the sake of it.

 

I've had this issue with a couple wireless mice. Try different USB dongle positions (monitor)? Update the mouse drivers?

I just switched back to wired mice since I can't find a solution either.

 

This is a wired mouse. There's no any dongle included. My drivers are up to date.

Today I'm gonna check the frame rates and frame times as well as test turning off different mice devices in device manager. Apparently there are 4 devices of which I'm aware of only 2. Turning 3 of them are named the same and turning off only one of them stops the mouse from working. Gonna see if turning them off will help.



Excuse me for the different language.

 

Turning stuff on and off does nothing, so I returned to the default settings aka. everything turned on. Frame rates and frame times are rather stable and I don't think I can see any relation or connection between stuttering cursor and the frame time spikes.

 

I'm buming this.

 

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I'm buming this.

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My brother had something like that, I took his mousepad in wash machine , it dig get better but the but the micro lagg movement was still there. Then he buyed new mousepad of same brand/ model. and problem was gone he had the steelseries qck+ 2mm

 

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I'm kind of desperate since reddit told me that "OCN is endgame forum when it comes to mice" and I feel like if I won't get my answer here, I'm doomed.

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My brother had something like that, I took his mousepad in wash machine , it dig get better but the but the micro lagg movement was still there. Then he buyed new mousepad of same brand/ model. and problem was gone he had the steelseries qck+ 2mm

Not a case here. It occurred both on the old mouse pad and old mouse and on the brand new stuff.

Anyone got any ideas? I came up with either creating a new windows profile (I assume it's gonna have all windows settings set on default, since I was adjusting them to lesser the input lag and generally improve the performance) if my assumptions are wrong, I might just install another os on the hdd and if that fails too, I'm gonna format. If the problem's still there I will be looking for help on more specific forums about each part of the pc that could cause this, like mobo or the psu and possibly just send the pc back for a warranty if it's some of the hardware.

 

If it just suddenly happened I would try a different install or a different OS to see if it was something that got upgraded on the software side. If the problem persists then maybe you can start hardware parts and getting to it the long way.

 

It didn't happen suddenly, I just got a new pc and it was there since I set everything up and started playing. I tried a new profile with most if not all the settings set back to default, I (once again) reinstalled mouse drivers and updated graphics driver, but no luck. Next step will be a fresh install and if that's not gonna help, format I guess, though I'm slowly losing hope that I can fix it.

I can't really replace my hardware stuff, so if that won't work all I can do is read about it, look for some other ways to fix it and I guess send the pc back for warranty, though I really wanna avoid the last option.

 

You need to find out what's causing the problem. The only way to be sure and in a way easiest way is to bring your computer over to a friend and test one thing at a time. Psu, ram, gpu and move it to his computer with your mouse in it. Then test his cpu/ram/gpu whatever with your motherboard/cpu.

 

new pc causing mouse problems return that **** asap if u bought it made or do what is suggested above

 

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You need to find out what's causing the problem. The only way to be sure and in a way easiest way is to bring your computer over to a friend and test one thing at a time. Psu, ram, gpu and move it to his computer with your mouse in it. Then test his cpu/ram/gpu whatever with your motherboard/cpu.

I'm not sure if that wouldn't void my warranty, also the closest friend of mine lives 40km away from me, so it's kinda far when you don't have a car and they don't even own a mobo/cpu that would support my mobo and cpu. Actually I don't think any of my friends do. I'd definitely find someone with ddr4 rams and gpu and psu is a thing that everyone has.

But after I'm done with testing if it's software related and I'll see no difference I'm gonna dig into it, make sure it doesn't void the warranty and if it does, I'm just gonna cotact the seller.

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new pc causing mouse problems return that **** asap if u bought it made or do what is suggested above

Will do if nothing else is gonna work.

 

Can you write a post where you collect everything you've tried so far? You tried detaching the drawing tablet?

 

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Can you write a post where you collect everything you've tried so far? You tried detaching the drawing tablet?

I've tried many many things, so I'm likely to forget something but I will try.

Yes, I've tried unplugging peripherials. I played mouse only with the only things connected to the pc being the internet cabel, the monitor and the mouse. The problem remained.

Other things I tried:

reinstalling gpu drivers, mouse drivers, usb drivers.

a fresh, clean windows10 profile with most (if not all) the settings set back to default, I've tried with the stock nvidia drivers settings.

3 mice at 2 mouse pads under 3 different usb ports, one being 3.0 at front, one being 2.0 at front and one being 2.0 at rear.

running with the least apps running at stock gpu clocks (I run oc normally)

in device manager I unchecked "allow this pc to turn off this device to save power" on mouse/usb ports

I also tried turning off other mice devices that didn't seem to do anything, but since it didn't help I turned them back on

disabled NVIDIA HD Audio, plugged in through a USB extender, disabled fast startup

checked disk usage, frame rate and frame times during the stutters, they don't seem related, disk usage was low, fps/frame time rather stable

I touched my case to see if it has any impact on my cursor (poor grounding issue?), but nothing happened, so it's not that either.

I think that's about everything I tried. I could forget about something, but I guess that will do for now.

 

Do the stutters always recover to the correct position, or is it dropping inputs?

Try running your games with a capped framerate, or raise graphical settings to reduce framerate.

Look inside your bios and look for Speed Shift or alternatively only run with high performance preset.

If you have already "formated", try to make sure you delete your partitions, a refresh of windows does not delete all data. Old drivers and configurations may still be loaded after the refresh.

 

Can easily run a Linux livecd and see if it carries over too.

 

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Do the stutters always recover to the correct position, or is it dropping inputs?

Try running your games with a capped framerate, or raise graphical settings to reduce framerate.

Look inside your bios and look for Speed Shift or alternatively only run with high performance preset.

If you have already "formated", try to make sure you delete your partitions, a refresh of windows does not delete all data. Old drivers and configurations may still be loaded after the refresh.

I think It does drop inputs, I'm trying to make big movements, it start off normally, but then it just stops lags for a short while, goes bit by bit while repeating the lag then after few stutters goes back to working normally, but the cursor doesn't land where I initially intended, also it goes all by itself,so after I made the movement and the cursor has started lagging I can take my hand off the hand and it will keep moving until the stutters stop. I'd compare it to hitting mouse onto something, like keyboard or a wall you move smothly then you hit that thing, it stop and completely throws you off.

Paladins has the fps capped at 150 by default, I run this game maxed out. While in GTA V vram bottlenecks me, I can hardly set the settings so it constantly goes below 60, though thegame itself it quite stuttery, there's lots of frame time spikes when I play and it is noticeable. If I ignore vram settings and set all msaa and stuff at max I get about 30 fps, but also game becomes more unstable, there's even more stuttering and sometimes it just lags to 0, so besides not having 60fps I'm also suffering these problems.

Gonna check the bios thingy and test it out if I find it, then let you know how it turned out.

I haven't formated yet, though I already prepared a bootable flash disc with windows10. I thought about installing another copy of windows first and then if it didn't help go hard way and just format everything into abyss, but I'm not sure if installing a fresh windows like that is any different from creating a new profile, still I think it's worth trying, since formatting does take some effort especially with copying important files, but if I'm gonna format, I'm gonna make sure to merge/get rid of partitions

 

When you tested your 3 different mice, were they all at 1000hz? If so, try running them at 125hz and see if you still get dropped inputs or only regular stuttering without dropped inputs.'

Also, When I used Vsync accidentally some time ago, I encountered a similar issue with stuttering while being cpu limited. The game would feel like it had phantom input as well as not accepting mouse input correctly. Do you happen to run borderless? Borderless runs a double buffer and I imagine some cpu intensive situations can mess with the windows compositor.

Windows Game mode might cause stuttering in some game engines, altering the game engines thread execution.

 

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When you tested your 3 different mice, were they all at 1000hz? If so, try running them at 125hz and see if you still get dropped inputs or only regular stuttering without dropped inputs.'

Also, When I used Vsync accidentally some time ago, I encountered a similar issue with stuttering while being cpu limited. The game would feel like it had phantom input as well as not accepting mouse input correctly. Do you happen to run borderless? Borderless runs a double buffer and I imagine some cpu intensive situations can mess with the windows compositor.

Windows Game mode might cause stuttering in some game engines, altering the game engines thread execution.

2 of the mice were 125hz, g203 runs 1000hz, I can adjust it to 125 for a match or two for a test, but I doubt it's gonna help.

I run the games either fullscreen or windowed, Paladins, GTA V and CS were fullscreen, Path of Exile was running windowed.

// I ran the mouse at 125hz and with the Game mode turned off, didn't help.

 

Can you find a
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2 of the mice were 125hz, g203 runs 1000hz, I can adjust it to 125 for a match or two for a test, but I doubt it's gonna help.

I run the games either fullscreen or windowed, Paladins, GTA V and CS were fullscreen, Path of Exile was running windowed.

// I ran the mouse at 125hz and with the Game mode turned off, didn't help.

https://kb.acronis.com/procmon

Can you follow this guide to log the stutter and post the log here.

 

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Can you find a
https://kb.acronis.com/procmon

Can you follow this guide to log the stutter and post the log here.

I got a log, but I don't know if it's safe to share it and I'll need more than "yes, that's safe" to encourage me. I'm not quite sure how are you supposed to help me with that log, there's like a million of events that happened within 5 minutes. If you don't have bad intentions, though I hope you understand my concerns about this.