Asus RoG Maximus Z690 Extreme:

 

Sadly I can't help but feel the Z690 Extreme looks a bit cheap with all that plastic on the lower half of the board. My Zenith II Extreme has a big chunk of aluminum covering the m.2 slots on the bottom and previous Maximus boards look better IMO. It's also lacking an OLED status display.

Still, I'll most likely end up picking up the Maximus Extreme...

 

plastic?

 

.. Me for the past 2 days

The motherboard roundup is now as complete as it can be, only with time can we find the last remaining pieces.
And if you find a piece of information you see is missing (or god forbid is incorrect), comment below (with a source) and I'll look into it!

Don't forget to check the DDR4 Daily Memory Overclock thread as well, as it includes a few more DDR4 boards.
If you believe something can be added or improved (that doesn't take another 20 hours) don't hesitate to suggest it!

 

Thank you! Outstanding work. I'll be referencing this when I'm able to locate a CPU.

 

It would be good to specify the Ethernet connection, specially if the board comes with Intel 2.5GbE NIC

 

They all come with an Intel 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet Connection, if that's what you're wondering about. And that's ~312MB/s, ridiculously fast for an Internet connection, and if you need to transfer something far larger you can always use an external M.2 through the USB-C port, which gives you a transfer speed of up to 2500MB/s.. now that is fast!

As for why I didn't include number of Ethernet ports (or speed), didn't think it was necessary, especially with all the boards being 2.5 Gigabit and having a Wi-Fi 6E module, that basically leaves the Ethernet connection open for another computer or device if you stick with Wi-Fi for Internet, also about a handful of boards that offer an extra 10 Gigabit ethernet.

ASRock Taichi and Velocita feature 1x Intel Gigabit and 1x Killer 2.5G ethernet port. < 2 Ports (OC Formula should have two as well, 1 Gigabit and 1 Killer 2.5G)
ASUS Extreme feature 1x Intel 2.5G and 1x Marvell 10G ethernet port. < 2 Ports
ASUS Formula feature 1x Marvell 10G ethernet port.
Gigabyte Xtreme feature 1x Intel 2.5G and 1x Marvell 10G ethernet port. < 2 Ports
Gigabyte Master feature 1x Marvell 10G ethernet port.
MSI Ace feature 2x Intel 2.5G ethernet ports. < 2 Ports
MSI Unify feature 2x Intel 2.5G ethernet ports. < 2 Ports

So out of 27x DDR5 boards, only 6 feature 2 ethernet ports. And by the looks of it, only 4 boards offer a Marvell 10G port. All of the boards above are very expensive, out of reach for most consumers. I guess if I counted the Creator / ProArt boards it'd be more.

I have the formula and strix gaming pre-ordered. Gonna cancel one tonight. Just cant decide

Can I ask what you find appealing with the Formula? Since it's one of the absolute worst price/performance boards you can buy. The only appeal I can see is that it's white, if money is irrelevant then I guess why not, but it's just a Hero board with a water block, and 105A stages up from 90A which won't make any difference. Strix boards are also awful since they lack buttons and Safe Boot, they're targeting (always has) casual users on all of the Strix boards, which makes me confused as your other pick was a Formula board (Hero) that specifically targets overclockers that use Safe Boot (FlexKey) and other on-board buttons constantly. So do you intend to casually game or overclock?

 

does the asus strix a ddr4 board seem like a solid board. Really tempted just to go for that and high end ddr4 kit and not have to worry about ddr5 for now. pre-ordered a 12700kf

 

dont expect rkl like latency.
ask imc is diff

 

No EVGA MB's?

 

short staff.
when z790 coming out.. should be out few months before that.

thats the dark way

my guess
also evga cant afford mistakes.. hence they tune their boards based on apex etc performance

 

How do you think which mITX ddr5 board is the best?

 

Too early to say.

I guess I was hoping the strix would be good enough to get an initial decent overclock done and then will just mostly be gaming.

It is, for sure, it just costs $100 too much, that's why I tend to recommend against it, not because it can't overclock good enough or similar.

When you say casual gaming, is there a reason you think the strix board cant be used for a serious gamer. And it should still provide a decent overclock right?

I think you'd be happy with Strix A DDR4 (White), no issues doing 5.2GHz on a 12900K, or reaching a high memory overclock ~4000, so it's great for gamers that do casual overclocking. Just be aware that with the Strix A you won't have FlexKey (Safe Boot), so you'd have to either wait for BIOS to reset or hit Clear CMOS button (on a failed memory overclock), so will take longer to overclock, but in the end the result will be the same.

 

But recently on its website Noctua published a list of motherboards on the Z690 and B660 chipsets manufactured by Asus, which are completely incompatible with Noctua coolers, even with new mounts. The list of incompatible boards includes several models of the ROG Strix Gaming series and other lines. list

 

Good for Noctua for providing this before they release. Now all we need is to know if we can fit our GPU's with active backplates

 

I made a correction for the Strix boards, apparently they (ASUS) added FlexKey function on all of their Strix boards, A, E, F, G and I.

It works the same as on Gigabyte, you get to select inside the BIOS, what the 2-pin Reset header is going to do (difference is on Gigabyte there's a separate 2-pin header).

Allows you to assign a different function to the Reset button (Flexkey).​

[Reset]: Reboots the system.​

[Auro On/Off]: Enable or disable Aura LEDs. This setting does not sync with the BIOS/Software option.​

[DirectKey]: Boot directly into the BIOS.​

​

Copied directly from the BIOS as it is written, there is no mention of this in the Manual, all it says is the text FlexKey.

If it actually acts as safe boot is too early for me to say, the whole point of safe boot is that it needs to work DURING a failed overclock, not before or after, this is what happens on an MSI board if you connect a button to the 2-pin Clear CMOS header: The moment you press it, the PC instantly shuts off, no matter what you are doing, and you have to manually turn PC back on using the power button, when it boots it will be in default BIOS settings, but before it throws you into BIOS, it will ask you if you want to load one of you saved BIOS profiles, and you hit the key for the one you want, and you go into the BIOS with that exact profile loaded, so it's literally safe boot, but a complicated one, it takes more effort and time than an actual safe boot button on let's say an Apex board, that one will instantly shut the PC off in the same way, but restart itself, and automatically load the last profile you were working on, so no having to click the power button or select which BIOS profile you want loaded, and your last changes made (on MSI) won't be saved since it can only load an existing profile, so you have to save (update) the BIOS profile often.

So, with my very limited testing on this Strix A, if I press the DirectKey button (2-pin Reset header), during a failed overclock where the DRAM on the EZ Debug/Status LED is showing Orange, nothing actually happens, motherboard is not shutting off and getting me back into BIOS, which leads me to believe the function only works after a successful boot, which kinda defeats the purpose, there's not really a point in you being able to press it when you are in Windows, as the only difference would be (compared to regular Reset/Reboot function) that you wouldn't have to press DEL key, like, note that the description doesn't say anything about loading safe values (safe boot), only "Boot directly into the BIOS". I will try and understand this function more in the coming day, so when/if I learn more I will share it.

 

This thread has been pretty much a godsend, thanks Zhrooms.

What are your (or anyone else's) thoughts on the Gigabyte UD DDR4?

At the moment I'm tempted by the 12600KF and the Gigabyte UD DDR4, as this will be a big upgrade from my prehistoric 6700k, and at a solid price. I don't mind spending more if there's a good reason to avoid the UD. The other combo that I've got my eye on potentially is the MSI MPG Edge paired with a 12700KF.

I wouldn't have minded the Gaming X or one of the lower-end Aorus', but I just can't get over the aesthetics of them.

The Strix also tickled my fancy, but I'm planning on running a NH-D15, so that one's out the question - Plus I'd prefer to avoid Asus Tax if possible. I'll be primarily looking at gaming and potentially a modest overclock if I feel I need more juice.

Cheers
Ellhans

 

From Page one, for example:

"MSI boards not included (does not quality as sufficiently gaming or overclocking oriented): MAG Tomahawk, MAG Torpedo and Pro A
Comment: MAG Tomahawk offer all of the same features as MPG Edge, at $20 less but lacks multiple accessories in the box, 70A stages down from 75A, fewer USB ports and visually looks very different, lacks RGB built into the Heatsinks and I/O Cover as an example, it's worth an extra $20 for the MPG Edge, same goes for MAG Torpedo which loses even more features just to save another $10. As for the Pro boards, they are simply not up to the standards of gamers or overclockers."

This is the biggest bullshit I've read in a long time! Sorry! You need RGB, I/O Cover, 70a Stages for Gaming, what nonsense! For a 12900K with OC a VRM with 14+1 55A DrMos Stages is more than enough, on Default you need only 10+1 DRMos 50A. 12er Core Series have FIVR, you don't need a big overbred VRM, unbelievable, so much misinformation.

 

12er Core Series have FIVR, you don't need a big overbred VRM, unbelievable, so much misinformation.

Alder Lake only uses FIVR for minor rails. Cores are driven by IMVP, just like CML/RKL and earlier. That said, it is true that nobody needs massive VRs, as the peak power on OC is only ~300 W, which is ~6 W/FET at an abysmal 80% conversion efficiency and 10 phases. Most VRs are closer to 90% efficient.

 

RE: Asuis Prime boards, curious what makes Prime Z690-A not making the list? Is it VRM-related or something else?

 

from first page:

ASUS boards not included (does not quality as sufficiently gaming or overclocking oriented): ProArt Creator and Prime P

 

what's the best one for the new 1700 socket?

 

Someone didn´t like your thread at all He shown his 12900k fully maxed out on a Z690 Pro motherboard, wich you claimed as "simply not up to the standards of gamers or overclockers "

He said that sentence is enough to invalidate this whole website, and tbh you should just delete it and edit it, because it´s clearly not true.

I know this website exagerates VRM wise and Power Supply wise, but this is a whole new level. Dude has lowest latency tuned Ram and highest 12900k overclock I seen so far, on a Pro board....

At 1h07m mark

Twitch

Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

www.twitch.tv

 

This forum is for people who buy their hardware, test it, and share results.

@Jules from FrameChasers, get your fanboys out of here

 

Ty a nice date sheet overall love the work you have put in to it!

 

@0451 Is that disabling e cores? I see most have latency in the upper 40ns range. I take it is from disable e core and raising cache causes the lower latency?

 

I read that disabling e-cores improves latency with no impact to game performance, so I disabled the e-cores and left the p-cores and HT on.

You haven't been following the Z690 DDR4 thread? I would classify these results as perfectly ok for gamers and most overclockers.

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Is that @DirDir or @Notty? Neither of them shared their own OC. Or is it Jules?

I never said Jule’s results were not impressive. Less impressive since it’s only 6c6t but impressive nonetheless. I said his minions need to stop careening around the internet simping him when they have no results of their own to share.

 

I got a Z690 TUF D4 on hand and wow they really cut as many corners they could. The socket has half the decaps as an entry-level Gigabyte board

 

I got a Z690 TUF D4 on hand and wow they really cut as many corners they could. The socket is has half the decaps as an entry-level Gigabyte board

Is the TUF D4 the entry-level for asus?

 

So, it was brought to my attention that the one and only Jufes (also known as Framechasers), hated on not just this thread, but also on the entire website and me
Context: He posted a video giving his opinion on the "best Z690 motherboards" and mentioned that he had seen this thread earlier, then went back to comment on it,
which he did below (transcript):
As as he's going to see this response, I'm directly responding to him.

It's like the most braindead, it's the most ****ing braindead ****, dude, just get off, just get off, don't, don't do it. Oh my god.. "OCN Edition".. Look at this ****ing dumb ****, look at this, look at this, hang on, hang on, where is the ****ing, hang on, oh my god, dude, it was under the MSI one, here it is.. "As for the pro boards, they are simply not up to the standards of gamers or overclockers". That single sentence, invalidates the entire website, the entire website, whoever wrote this article, this guy, invalid, completely ****ing invalid dude. What, like? That's why I keep saying, like, stay within our own community, this is ****ing ******ed dude. You're telling me the A boards are simply.. No.. it's cuz this guy is a hardware enthusiast, he doesn't like to buy the cheapest base model, that's all that is dude, and he's trying to project his.. purchasing decisions onto others, that's what this is.. This board that I am running, maxes out Alder Lake, it maxes it out! With zero issues! The **** is this guy talking about? Anyway..

Ah, yeah, ignore this ****ing website dude.. completely ignore it, ah, I don't know, just no, no. Anyway.. what a ****ing waste of time that forum is dude, not even just that forum, reddit, all of.. OC UK, like all those guys have no ****ing clue what they're talking about dude. That **** gets published, that's a published thread on an overclocking forum.. That's published! That's the problem with the internet though, 99% of the information is just wrong and somebody's opinion, that entire thread was that guys opinion, not based on factual numbers, simply not up to the task of gamers and overclockers? Says who? Says some random guy on the internet? It's wrong, it's ****ing wrong dude, it's completely wrong.. don't worry about that website.. anyway.. don't ****ing worry about that website.. anyway.. Always test everything yourself alright?

So, you found yourself onto OCN, welcome!
This website hosts a discussion board and it welcomes all kinds of people, including you, anyone can create an account and share their thoughts.
No thread created is affiliated with OCN or their staff unless specified, thus this thread is community driven, specifically by me and me alone.

I created this thread to educate people on the notable differences between the Z690 motherboards by ASRock, ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte and MSI. Make it easier for the consumer to make his or her best decision on which board to acquire for their future system. To nudge the more inexperienced users towards the appropriate boards, I decided to leave a personal comment under each brand, to highlight some significant differences in terms of important features or simply value. I am trying to be as careful as I can be by using the appropriate words such as "caution", "might" and "potentially", as there are things I do not know for certain, such as performance, as that would require first hand experience with most of these boards, which I nor anyone else currently possess.

I made the decision to exclude certain boards in leu of time, but fully intend to include all of them at a later date, this list was created in a very stressful time window before launch, the boards that didn't make the cut had to be the lower to mid end boards that the least people would be interested in, meaning the ~$200 range and below, this included the MSI Z690-A Pro, which we now know is a fantastic board for overclockers. This is the reason I am currently calling it OCN Edition, because it was just showing mid to high end boards that would be of most interest to the users here (the title will be altered as soon as all of the boards are listed).

I find it disheartening that you would dismiss this hard work, especially when I tried to make it clear that the thread has not been updated in the past 12 days by sticking a 'last updated' date at the very top of the page, meaning the information below it, might have changed since that date. I also created a separate thread, shared near the top of the page in the introduction to this thread, with all of the DDR4 boards, including the MSI Z690-A Pro, that thread is also more popular thus takes priority and is regularly updated.

In the future I advice you to take it easy with the temper tantrums, you had every opportunity to read the intro of the thread to find the second post, where I have multiple responses, pointing out that the MSI Z690-A Pro board is currently the best board when it comes to price/performance. I pride myself on being as objective and truthful as possible, in every one of my responses you will see I take the data very seriously. I even got my hands on all three processors and four boards to personally test, with my two single and dual rank RAM kits, to really master this new architecture. And most importantly, share my findings with the community! I do not ask for anything in return other than your patience and understanding that it will take time. As of now I can only recommend you read through the entire DDR4 thread shared near the top of this thread, from start to finish.

Always test everything yourself alright?

That I agree with, I gave up on reviewers ever satisfying overclockers back in 2012, resorted to benchmarking and researching games for myself, just had enough of all of the **** I was seeing, a complete disconnect between reviewers and overclockers. Since then I must've spent well over a thousand hours of benchmarking and data logging, today I can safely say I've far exceeded most reviewers in terms of knowledge and understanding, and can confirm that almost every single mainstream reviewer is garbage, that directly mislead and misinform, or if they don't, they ain't offering any valuable testing for an enthusiast gamer or overclocker. So the only way to get enlightened when new products release, is to simply test it yourself, or find people who already tested it, with solid data, like you can do here on OCN.

That's how I crowdsourced the extreme amounts of data I got for the 2080 Ti, from the close to 500 individuals that joined the 2080 Ti discord server, that I created for the community here, we got our hands on every XOC NDA BIOS and had more than a dozen owners of the highest tier cards such as OC Labs and Kingpin, also droves of shunt mods, unique cooling solutions and more. Within 6 months of creation we knew more about RTX overclocking than anyone else in the world, because we had such a massive amount of data ranging from the lowest to the highest end cards, so many people contributing, verifying, it truly gave a complete picture!

So how did we manage something so impressive, in such a short amount of time? Through People! Anyone and everyone! The server was public so anyone wanting to contribute or simply learn, was welcome, and it was encouraged to challenge our findings, but everyone was always on the same page after the arguments ended. Absolute free speech was very important as well, no one was treated differently or removed for something they said, everyone got to say their piece in their own way, the exceptionally rare altercations were swiftly handled through communication, nothing more, to this day we have never had rules nor had to resort to a single ban.

That's why I keep saying, stay within our own community

That's your problem, and the reason you are consistently wrong in your videos, I'm not aware if you know but you are being actively ridiculed in the most popular tech discords, as soon as someone mentions you. Because you only keep to yourself in your paywalled "safe space" discord server with ridiculous tyrant rules, refusing to be challenged, where no one who knows what the **** they are talking about, like me, can correct you. Anyone with actual experience overclocking or computers in general, have any reason to pay to be let into your hideaway.

I actually invited you to our server back on the 29th of September, 2020, when you had just gotten your XC3, and I asked for a screenshot of the power limit, but you were so inexperienced at the time you couldn't find the NVIDIA BIOS page, even though I shared a picture showing it, your response was: "It doesn't show any info, prolly have to wait for a newer gpu-z version", after pointing out your error you responded: "lol gotcha. Haha" and shared the correct page, I then briefly mentioned that I've been running a community server for RTX owners, since I thought you'd be up for running some tests for us, as we were moving to the Ampere cards ourselves and you had gotten one of the first EVGA cards in the world, your response: "Sure why not, I can’t go crazy on it though because I don’t have enough cash to buy another one in case I break it 😅", I then shared the invite, some useful threads on the topic and such, but.. you never joined. I accepted that you simply wasn't interested, just another casual gamer, and you had proven it at the time by the fact you didn't even know how to read the power limit.

What an absolute shame that decision not to join was, because since the very first videos you shared during the RTX 30 Series launch, you seemed so enthusiastic, eager to learn, the passion was very apparent, and that's why I, and others wanted you in our community, you would've been a great contributor and would've learned a lot to boot. But not very long after, you started your private discord, which is such a red flag, it really is the most direct way to exclude experienced people, since now you are only going to attract novice overclockers who just watched one of your videos and believe you, and you alone, can help them, because you made damn sure to talk down on everybody else (like you did to here), so you appear like the all knowing one, when in reality you're just pretending, these novice overclockers don't know any better so they're willing to bring their wallet to the table, while actual experienced people like myself, have no reason to seek you, or anyone you invite.. out.

So, now you are inside a contained discord with only novice overclockers, while you have simultaneously proven to everyone through your public videos over the past year, that you barely know anything about computers or overclocking, so who is actually suppose to tell you when you're wrong? Well it's not me, no one experienced has any idea what is going on in your restricted server, so the months went by and we started seeing people mentioning your name on random tech discords, and they were making fun of you, so I watched a few of your most recent videos at the time, and you were like shockingly incorrect.
Like a dozen things you said over just a few videos were wrong in one way or another, like very basic things anyone should have corrected you on. I don't remember what I thought at the time, I believe I was too busy and simply didn't care enough to reach out, at the same time I thought it was a very greedy decision to start a paid access discord, then I learned about your consulting, which was perplexing to say the least, anyone would get the same advice but actually correct in our community, for free, in a few minutes, we are more than glad to help out when someone needs it.

I want to believe you're just acting out of incompetence, and that you actually believe you are helping people, but I just don't know, money corrupts people, even the best of us, it's easy to see you're pulling in quite a bit from your "fans". I don't know if I have it in me to believe you aren't just.. another scumbag. I've also seen multiple people be been silenced or outright removed for dissent from your community, not because they're wrong, but because you refuse to listen and enforce ridiculous rules that hinders learning.

If there is one good faith gesture you could do now, it would be to open your discord for everyone and completely revise your rules, it'd show if you actually cared about your fans and was truly in it for the love of hardware and not the green.

If not.. I fear it's a lost cause, I'd then advice anyone reading this, that is currently in his community, to look elsewhere, because I guarantee you that you'll find better information elsewhere, without being treated the way I've seen him treat his supporters, and most importantly you wouldn't have to involve your your wallet, or support someone who doesn't have your best interest at heart.

 

So, it was brought to my attention that the one and only Jufes (also known as Framechasers), hated on not just this thread, but also on the entire website and me
Context: He posted a video giving his opinion on the "best Z690 motherboards" and mentioned that he had seen this thread earlier, then went back to comment on it,
which he did below (transcript):
As as he's going to see this response, I'm directly responding to him.



So, you found yourself onto OCN, welcome!
This website hosts a discussion board and it welcomes all kinds of people, including you, anyone can create an account and share their thoughts.
No thread created is affiliated with OCN or their staff unless specified, thus this thread is community driven, specifically by me and me alone.

I created this thread to educate people on the notable differences between the Z690 motherboards by ASRock, ASUS, EVGA, Gigabyte and MSI. Make it easier for the consumer to make his or her best decision on which board to acquire for their future system. To nudge the more inexperienced users towards the appropriate boards, I decided to leave a personal comment under each brand, to highlight some significant differences in terms of important features or simply value. I am trying to be as careful as I can be by using the appropriate words such as "caution", "might" and "potentially", as there are things I do not know for certain, such as performance, as that would require first hand experience with most of these boards, which I nor anyone else currently possess.

I made the decision to exclude certain boards in leu of time, but fully intend to include all of them at a later date, this list was created in a very stressful time window before launch, the boards that didn't make the cut had to be the lower to mid end boards that the least people would be interested in, meaning the ~$200 range and below, this included the MSI Z690-A Pro, which we now know is a fantastic board for overclockers. This is the reason I am currently calling it OCN Edition, because it was just showing mid to high end boards that would be of most interest to the users here (the title will be altered as soon as all of the boards are listed).

I find it disheartening that you would dismiss this hard work, especially when I tried to make it clear that the thread has not been updated in the past 12 days by sticking a 'last updated' date at the very top of the page, meaning the information below it, might have changed since that date. I also created a separate thread, shared near the top of the page in the introduction to this thread, with all of the DDR4 boards, including the MSI Z690-A Pro, that thread is also more popular thus takes priority and is regularly updated.

In the future I advice you to take it easy with the temper tantrums, you had every opportunity to read the intro of the thread to find the second post, where I have multiple responses, pointing out that the MSI Z690-A Pro board is currently the best board when it comes to price/performance. I pride myself on being as objective and truthful as possible, in every one of my responses you will see I take the data very seriously. I even got my hands on all three processors and four boards to personally test, with my two single and dual rank RAM kits, to really master this new architecture. And most importantly, share my findings with the community! I do not ask for anything in return other than your patience and understanding that it will take time. As of now I can only recommend you read through the entire DDR4 thread shared near the top of this thread, from start to finish.


That I agree with, I gave up on reviewers ever satisfying overclockers back in 2012, resorted to benchmarking and researching games for myself, just had enough of all of the **** I was seeing, a complete disconnect between reviewers and overclockers. Since then I must've spent well over a thousand hours of benchmarking and data logging, today I can safely say I've far exceeded most reviewers in terms of knowledge and understanding, and can confirm that almost every single mainstream reviewer is garbage, that directly mislead and misinform, or if they don't, they ain't offering any valuable testing for an enthusiast gamer or overclocker. So the only way to get enlightened when new products release, is to simply test it yourself, or find people who already tested it, with solid data, like you can do here on OCN.

That's how I crowdsourced the extreme amounts of data I got for the 2080 Ti, from the close to 500 individuals that joined the 2080 Ti discord server, that I created for the community here, we got our hands on every XOC NDA BIOS and had more than a dozen owners of the highest tier cards such as OC Labs and Kingpin, also droves of shunt mods, unique cooling solutions and more. Within 6 months of creation we knew more about RTX overclocking than anyone else in the world, because we had such a massive amount of data ranging from the lowest to the highest end cards, so many people contributing, verifying, it truly gave a complete picture!

So how did we manage something so impressive, in such a short amount of time? Through People! Anyone and everyone! The server was public so anyone wanting to contribute or simply learn, was welcome, and it was encouraged to challenge our findings, but everyone was always on the same page after the arguments ended. Absolute free speech was very important as well, no one was treated differently or removed for something they said, everyone got to say their piece in their own way, the exceptionally rare altercations were swiftly handled through communication, nothing more, to this day we have never had rules nor had to resort to a single ban.


That's your problem, and the reason you are consistently wrong in your videos, I'm not aware if you know but you are being actively ridiculed in the most popular tech discords, as soon as someone mentions you. Because you only keep to yourself in your paywalled "safe space" discord server with ridiculous tyrant rules, refusing to be challenged, where no one who knows what the **** they are talking about, like me, can correct you. Anyone with actual experience overclocking or computers in general, have any reason to pay to be let into your hideaway.

I actually invited you to our server back on the 29th of September, 2020, when you had just gotten your XC3, and I asked for a screenshot of the power limit, but you were so inexperienced at the time you couldn't find the NVIDIA BIOS page, even though I shared a picture showing it, your response was: "It doesn't show any info, prolly have to wait for a newer gpu-z version", after pointing out your error you responded: "lol gotcha. Haha" and shared the correct page, I then briefly mentioned that I've been running a community server for RTX owners, since I thought you'd be up for running some tests for us, as we were moving to the Ampere cards ourselves and you had gotten one of the first EVGA cards in the world, your response: "Sure why not, I can’t go crazy on it though because I don’t have enough cash to buy another one in case I break it 😅", I then shared the invite, some useful threads on the topic and such, but.. you never joined. I accepted that you simply wasn't interested, just another casual gamer, and you had proven it at the time by the fact you didn't even know how to read the power limit.

What an absolute shame that decision not to join was, because since the very first videos you shared during the RTX 30 Series launch, you seemed so enthusiastic, eager to learn, the passion was very apparent, and that's why I, and others wanted you in our community, you would've been a great contributor and would've learned a lot to boot. But not very long after, you started your private discord, which is such a red flag, it really is the most direct way to exclude experienced people, since now you are only going to attract novice overclockers who just watched one of your videos and believe you, and you alone, can help them, because you made damn sure to talk down on everybody else (like you did to here), so you appear like the all knowing one, when in reality you're just pretending, these novice overclockers don't know any better so they're willing to bring their wallet to the table, while actual experienced people like myself, have no reason to seek you, or anyone you invite.. out.

So, now you are inside a contained discord with only novice overclockers, while you have simultaneously proven to everyone through your public videos over the past year, that you barely know anything about computers or overclocking, so who is actually suppose to tell you when you're wrong? Well it's not me, no one experienced has any idea what is going on in your restricted server, so the months went by and we started seeing people mentioning your name on random tech discords, and they were making fun of you, so I watched a few of your most recent videos at the time, and you were like shockingly incorrect.
Like a dozen things you said over just a few videos were wrong in one way or another, like very basic things anyone should have corrected you on. I don't remember what I thought at the time, I believe I was too busy and simply didn't care enough to reach out, at the same time I thought it was a very greedy decision to start a paid access discord, then I learned about your consulting, which was perplexing to say the least, anyone would get the same advice but actually correct in our community, for free, in a few minutes, we are more than glad to help out when someone needs it.

I want to believe you're just acting out of incompetence, and that you actually believe you are helping people, but I just don't know, money corrupts people, even the best of us, it's easy to see you're pulling in quite a bit from your "fans". I don't know if I have it in me to believe you aren't just.. another scumbag. I've also seen multiple people be been silenced or outright removed for dissent from your community, not because they're wrong, but because you refuse to listen and enforce ridiculous rules that hinders learning.

If there is one good faith gesture you could do now, it would be to open your discord for everyone and completely revise your rules, it'd show if you actually cared about your fans and was truly in it for the love of hardware and not the green.

If not.. I fear it's a lost cause, I'd then advice anyone reading this, that is currently in his community, to look elsewhere, because I guarantee you that you'll find better information elsewhere, without being treated the way I've seen him treat his supporters, and most importantly you wouldn't have to involve your your wallet, or support someone who doesn't have your best interest at heart.

Subscriber only/paid discords are so dumb. It's the equivalent of charging money to be apart of a guild nowadays. Back in the 90's we were just happy enough to gather together online as a group/community playing games like The Realm, Diablo 1, everquest etc. He runs a very controlled community designed to milk viewers for sure. I like some of his content, i like that he mixes humor in. His fps testing methodologies are definitely flawed. He does come off as an elitist at times though which is annoying to put it mildly. I can't believe there are people out there willing to pay $200 or $400 or whatever framechasers' fee is for consulting. What does he do, Charge people hundreds of dollars for implementing some windows scripts that can be found on youtube?

 

why doesn't the Biostar z690 valkyrie and z690 GTA appear?? valkirye comes with 20 phases 105a and GTA comes with 12 phases 90a, they are great options too.

I didn't understand the part about the msi Tomahawk and Edge boards, what's the point of saying that the Tomahawk is not good because it only has vrm's of "70" and it doesn't have **** rgb's? bullshit, Edge only has 75a vrm and little lights that don't add any crap.

 

why doesn't the Biostar z690 valkyrie and z690 GTA appear?? valkirye comes with 20 phases 105a and GTA comes with 12 phases 90a, they are great options too.

I didn't understand the part about the msi Tomahawk and Edge boards, what's the point of saying that the Tomahawk is not good because it only has vrm's of "70" and it doesn't have **** rgb's? bullshit, Edge only has 75a vrm and little lights that don't add any crap.

So I bought myself a asus z690 p, and see in the post it says not suitable for gaming/oc? Any evidence for this? Reviews seem to look on it favourably

Thanks

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The guy who started this thread likes higher end overclocking stuff. Stuff where you are more likely to set records or be close to that. Like enthusiast class gpus, mainstream gpus not so much.
Mainstream (lower price and relatively barebones in terms of features) motherboards aren't enthusiast, they are more "good bang for your buck" boards. The tone of the thread would change from -being hyped over high end stuff and wanting to test it's limits- to -being responsible with more sensible products while saving money- to the extent that mainstream motherboard purchasers would occupy it.

Even though I bought a Prime P without wifi, a 12700k, and have an expected shipping date of 12-7 on 32G of Kingston value ram DDR5 that is supposedly Hynix, I can still see that this last sentence is almost painfully boring. Sorry zhrooms. One of you guys could start an "Alder Lake performance on the cheap" thread. I'd be happy to post there as soon as my DDR5 shows up and I'm getting some of that sweet ADL firsthand. Let these guys revel in awesome, there's plenty of space on OCN for more threads.

 

So I bought myself a asus z690 p, and see in the post it says not suitable for gaming/oc? Any evidence for this? Reviews seem to look on it favourably

Thanks

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Just give us some evidence you actually read the post and haven't just heard about it from someone else.
Nowhere on the post says it's "not suitable for gaming/oc".
You can game and you can oc on it.

The post says it's not "sufficiently gaming or overclocking oriented" which clearly means no advanced gaming or overclocking oriented features are included on the design.

Some OC features are external thermal sensor headers, Debug LED, Retry button, safe boot button, Clear CMOS button and more.
Do you see this kind of features on Asus z690 p? No.

Some gaming features are killer ethernet, high end audio codecs, Fatal1ty Mouse Port etc.
Do you see this kind of features on Asus z690 p? No.

So in a thread created in a site with "Overclock" in the name, this board does not qualify for being mentioned and is correctly omitted.

You are welcome

 

Hi, thanks for the thread! I got 12900K on EK loop and 2*16 GSkill 4000-14, which I want to run in Gear 1. I first tried an Aorus Elite and got to 3700-14 stable. Then I tried TUF and it won't run the same settings stable, even if I tweak the voltages (won't even post with higher, which is weird for me). 3600 is also hard to achieve. Any tips? I remember there were parameters like Vtraining and Vtermination on Aorus that I can't find on Asus. I slightly prefer other features of Asus vs Gigabyte. I am also eyeing Msi Edge, but it will only arrive in a week if I buy it.

 

What bios version you are using with the TUF?

 

How come we do not have Gigabyte z690 aorus Owners Thread ??????

 

From what I have seen they are really weak in ram OC and many sent them back that had them. Most are running Asus and MSI from what I see online.

 

So now that I've bought @Carillo 's binned 12900k, I would like suggestions on what Z690 board to get.

Should I just get an MSI MPG Z690 EDGE Wi-Fi (DDR4) like he did, or is there any other potentially better choice?

 

So now that I've bought @Carillo 's binned 12900k, I would like suggestions on what Z690 board to get.

Should I just get an MSI MPG Z690 EDGE Wi-Fi (DDR4) like he did, or is there any other potentially better choice?

Maybe wait and see. @eeeven Has MSI and is testing asus A to compare. Should have results within a day. My $$ is on Asus.

[Sammelthread] - OC Prozessoren Intel 12th Gen. Sockel 1700 (Alder Lake-S) Just saw havent read..............

 

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💲 Price	Model	Form Factor	DIMM Slots	XMP Support	⚡ PWM	⚡ Stages	⚡ Config	💾 M.2	📺 Output	🔊 Optical	🌈 RGB	🌡 Sensor	⚪ Power Button	⚪ Clear CMOS	⚪ Safe Boot	💯 Debug LED	🌐 Wi-Fi
350​	Strix A	ATX​	4​	5333​	ASP2100	16x 80A	Parallel​	4​	Both​	❌​	1 + 3​	🔌​	🔌​	🔌 + 🟢​	🔌​	❌​	✅​
290​	TUF Plus	ATX​	4​	5333​	ASP2100	14x 80A	Parallel​	4​	Both​	✅​	1 + 3​	❌​	🔌​	🔌​	❌​	❌​	✅​

I have TUF plus, it states it doesnt have safe boot. Can you explain what safe boot is? It means that if i setup unstable oc the board will not post and i will need to clear cmos? thks

 

I have it also, and so far I did not have to clear CMOS. If it can't post, it waits for F1 and goes to BIOS.