[Tator Tot]

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Originally Posted by Izvire What switches would you guys suggest to me? I currently have the MX Blacks, and really like the overall feel, however pressing the keys could be a bit lighter for typing. For gaming, MX Blacks are great. Don't really know how the other switches feel tbh.

There's cherry MX-Red's, linear like Blacks, but 45 Grams of Force unlike Blacks 60 Grams.

I personally had some MX-Red's, and it pretty much boiled down to this:

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Cherry Reds: Gaming not quiet as good as the blacks, but they still work well. Typing is better, but if I really get into gaming, I can bottom out the keyswhen I start using multi-key combos

I always felt myself slamming the keys down pretty easy. Which wasn't terrible for some games, both others I was a bit to quick or late on.

They would be worth a shot. Though boards with MX-Red's are rather hard to find. I had a G80-3600 from Cherry which worked well for me for the most part.

My big "issue" game was Step Mania; as that's when I couldn't get my timing down.

Geekhack has a review of that board. So you may wish to check it out. I see them on Ebay every so often. I've considered getting a new one, as I really liked it after awhile.

 

[Izvire]

Maybe I'll just order that MX Black normal version with red wasd keys.
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=763 + http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=748

Already has the right layout.
Should be good.

 

[coffeejunky]

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Originally Posted by Izvire Maybe I'll just order that MX Black normal version with red wasd keys. http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=763 + http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_d...sp?PRODUCT=748 Already has the right layout. Should be good.

They have the swedish version in stock in browns too (blues are out of stock but they should be able to let you know when more are expected if you email them), which should be better for typing unless you like a firm key and still good for gaming.

 

[Izvire]

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Originally Posted by coffeejunky They have the swedish version in stock in browns too (blues are out of stock but they should be able to let you know when more are expected if you email them), which should be better for typing unless you like a firm key and still good for gaming.

Nah, I'll just stick with these blacks, they're pretty good for me

 

[ch_123]

Browns would be a good progression. Lower force, and a bit of tactility to aid typing.

 

[Izvire]

Could be. Still, mostly I'm worried about is ordering some expensive keyboard and not liking it :I

So, I will stick to the switch that I already know and like.

 

[Crazy9000]

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Originally Posted by mark45 Thanks everyone and especially TwoCables for patiently answering all my questions! After doing some more research I am now thinking of getting Filco blues now...but I was really put off by the noise they make by the following video: 03:00 when he starts typing I am aware that this may not be the best microphone for example...can someone please make a comment about the noise on these keyboards, is it accurate sound that your one makes? However, I did like the sound of the blues keyboard on the following video: http://www.viddler.com/explore/HotHardware/videos/69/ at 01:10 and 02:00 (2 different types) edit: can someone also check/define the terms for me please: Release position/reset point - when the key stops registering Accutating point/operating position - when the key is registered Tactile feel/position - feel a slight bump just before the key registers ~Thanks~ PS LOLZ my bad i accidenty posted this on another thread whilst reading about it (sorry I thought I was posting in this one)

Here's a video I made awhile back with black switches on the deck and blues on the Das:

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I think the reset point is more when the key will allow you to press it again. If you go above the actuation point, it should stop registering a key press.

 

[runeazn]

hmm i can get a das utlimate for 10 euro cheaper as the brown but i like silentness :/

 

[TwoCables]

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Originally Posted by mark45 Thanks everyone and especially TwoCables for patiently answering all my questions!

Aw, you embarrass me.

You're absolutely welcome!

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Originally Posted by mark45 After doing some more research I am now thinking of getting Filco blues now...but I was really put off by the noise they make by the following video: 03:00 when he starts typing I am aware that this may not be the best microphone for example...can someone please make a comment about the noise on these keyboards, is it accurate sound that your one makes?

If you could change the sound, then what would you change about it? Also, does your room have that much reverb, or is it deader sounding? If you take away all of that reverb, then it's very accurate. But either way, this keyboard sounds much better in person (it even sounds just a tiny bit less clicky).

Plus, many of his keystrokes are bottomed out. Not only that, but it is just a loud room. So, watch more videos!

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Originally Posted by mark45 However, I did like the sound of the blues keyboard on the following video: http://www.viddler.com/explore/HotHardware/videos/69/ at 01:10 and 02:00 (2 different types)

That's a better representation due to the deader room (no reverb). Between the M10 and Model S, I would say that the Model S is much closer to the sound of the Majestouch Tactile Click, although it is slightly higher pitched than the Tactile Click - but just slightly.

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Originally Posted by mark45 edit: can someone also check/define the terms for me please: Release position/reset point - when the key stops registering Accutating point/operating position - when the key is registered Tactile feel/position - feel a slight bump just before the key registers ~Thanks~ PS LOLZ my bad i accidenty posted this on another thread whilst reading about it (sorry I thought I was posting in this one)

The terms are right!

I see you've been doing a bunch of research. But keep watching videos because it'll deepen your understanding of what the keyboards sound like.

 

[mark45]

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Originally Posted by ripster Sound samples at Geekhack are much better than these echo ridden, cheap camcorder mike, YouTube crap. I like the part where he presses the key then 10 seconds later the sound appears.

Wow thanks LOL I will never look at youtube in the same way again

I think I have fallen in love with the blues. It's like music to my ears.
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6317 (bottom one)

Oh okay thanks Crazy9000, liked the 2nd keyboard on that vid better than the ffirst I think.

Now the brown ones sound AWEFUL:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4495

perhaps he is heavy handed? It does sound rushed I guess.

But I think it is now decided. If the blues are at least 'above average' but better than a rubber dome keyboard anyway, then I will get the Filco Blues.
I just hope that I won't keep everyone up late up night...would be hard to relocate my system to another room, lol!

Thanks everyone!

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If I'm thinking [reverb] means delayed sound/slight echo then no it doesn't because I am in a small room so hopefully it would sound like the noise on the geekhack link

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Originally Posted by TwoCables The terms are right! I see you've been doing a bunch of research. But keep watching videos because it'll deepen your understanding of what the keyboards sound like.

yay lol yes

ok thanks I will deffo listen to more vids/aud samples: trying to make a good choice and hopefully not regret it...although I have a funny feeling that eventually I will get the browns and blacks at one point in the distant future anyway lol

 

[Maytan]

It's just so freaking nice to have a keyboard that isn't squeaking; even my domer's space bar was squeaking for the month I used it.

Yeeeeeeeee!

 

[Kamakazi]

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Originally Posted by mark45 Wow thanks LOL I will never look at youtube in the same way again I think I have fallen in love with the blues. It's like music to my ears. http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6317 (bottom one) Oh okay thanks Crazy9000, liked the 2nd keyboard on that vid better than the ffirst I think. Now the brown ones sound AWEFUL: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4495 perhaps he is heavy handed? It does sound rushed I guess. But I think it is now decided. If the blues are at least 'above average' but better than a rubber dome keyboard anyway, then I will get the Filco Blues. I just hope that I won't keep everyone up late up night...would be hard to relocate my system to another room, lol! Thanks everyone! edit: If I'm thinking [reverb] means delayed sound/slight echo then no it doesn't because I am in a small room so hopefully it would sound like the noise on the geekhack link yes ok thanks I will deffo listen to more vids/aud samples: trying to make a good choice and hopefully not regret it...although I have a funny feeling that eventually I will get the browns and blacks at one point in the distant future anyway lol

Yeah that Brown recording sounds like he is just mashing keys, not doing any kind of realistic typing, although could be a good "gaming sounds" benchmark.

 

[TwoCables]

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Originally Posted by ripster Sound samples at Geekhack are much better than these echo ridden, cheap camcorder mike, YouTube crap. I like the part where he presses the key then 10 seconds later the sound appears.

The audio and video was perfectly synchronized for me. I guess it might've just been a fluke for you.

I've seen that video dozens of times, and I've never had any audio/video sync issues with it (it was one of my favorite videos when I was trying to decide on my first and only mechanical keyboard).

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Originally Posted by mark45 Wow thanks LOL I will never look at youtube in the same way again

The best thing to do is to just listen to the audio very carefully while pretending that you are there in person. The result is that it's usually pretty obvious what quality recording you're dealing with. Like in both that unboxing video as well as that HotHardware video, the audio quality is decent thanks to a relatively decent HD camcorder. Of course, it would be better with decent condenser microphones, mic preamps, etc.

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Originally Posted by mark45 think I have fallen in love with the blues. It's like music to my ears. http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6317 (bottom one)

That's a decent one. It's actually easy to tell which keystrokes are bottomed out and which ones aren't!

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Originally Posted by mark45 Oh okay thanks Crazy9000, liked the 2nd keyboard on that vid better than the ffirst I think. Now the brown ones sound AWEFUL: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4495 perhaps he is heavy handed? It does sound rushed I guess.

He has a light touch, but yet every keystroke was bottomed out. Plus, the mids on this audio clip are a bit high (it sounds a tad bit on the nasally side). It's not the best representation of the sound that the Tactile Touch makes. So, watch more videos.

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Originally Posted by mark45 But I think it is now decided. If the blues are at least 'above average' but better than a rubber dome keyboard anyway, then I will get the Filco Blues.

Due to how careful you're being, I can almost guarantee you that you're going to feel that your mechanical keyboard (whichever one you get) is significantly superior to whatever you have now. I upgraded from both the Razer Lycosa and the Logitech G15, and the difference between those keyboards and the Tactile Click is night and day.

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Originally Posted by mark45 I just hope that I won't keep everyone up late up night...would be hard to relocate my system to another room, lol!

The clicks of the Cherry MX Blues are quieter than the sound of bottoming out.

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Originally Posted by mark45 Thanks everyone! edit: If I'm thinking [reverb] means delayed sound/slight echo then no it doesn't because I am in a small room so hopefully it would sound like the noise on the geekhack link

Reverb and echo are actually two different things. Echo is a repetition of sound while reverb is just sustained sound. A perfect example of reverb is the kind of sound you get in a gymnasium: the sound doesn't repeat, but instead every sound is just sustained and gradually fades away. But if that gymnasium had thick carpet on the floor, walls and ceiling, then the there would be almost no reverb at all. So there's typically absolutely no reverb in a bedroom due to all of the sound-absorbing materials like carpet and the bed combined with the small size of the room.

Anyway, I'm very confident that you'll absolutely love the sound. I'm also confident that it won't be too loud at all.

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Originally Posted by mark45 yay lol yes ok thanks I will deffo listen to more vids/aud samples: trying to make a good choice and hopefully not regret it...although I have a funny feeling that eventually I will get the browns and blacks at one point in the distant future anyway lol

Yeah, if I had the money as well as the physical space, then I'd probably have at least a dozen different mechanical keyboards by now - and I've only been into mechanical keyboards since late February of this year.

 

[nonamed]

Anyone know where I can get DAS keyboards in Europe / UK ??? I only found getDigital.de , any other retailers ? Do you know ?

 

[Maytan]

Typing up ebay descriptions is a lot of work. As is taking pictures of all the items. (Especially when you're selling a ****ton of 80-something NES games complete with boxes and accessories)

There's actually a huge market for old Nintendo stuff, it's fairly incredible. I saw this NIB World Class Track Meet (or something like that) sell for 40 grand. There's only two NIB copies in existence, and barely any copies to begin with.

 

[Kamakazi]

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Originally Posted by Maytan Typing up ebay descriptions is a lot of work. As is taking pictures of all the items. (Especially when you're selling a ****ton of 80-something NES games complete with boxes and accessories) There's actually a huge market for old Nintendo stuff, it's fairly incredible. I saw this NIB World Class Track Meet (or something like that) sell for 40 grand. There's only two NIB copies in existence, and barely any copies to begin with.

Random....

But yeah, it is horribly time consuming.

 

[Maytan]

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Originally Posted by Kamakazi Random.... But yeah, it is horribly time consuming.

Yeaaaaaaaaah, somewhere in there I meant to say it's a lot more comfortable doing it on my current board as opposed to my old one. (the domer that I used to use to type up the descriptions on the stuff I sold to put my 'new' rig together.)

 

[TwoCables]

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Originally Posted by Maytan Yeaaaaaaaaah, somewhere in there I meant to say it's a lot more comfortable doing it on my current board as opposed to my old one. (the domer that I used to use to type up the descriptions on the stuff I sold to put my 'new' rig together.)

In a sense, you kinda did. I mean, for those of us who know that you have a Das Model S, it should sound like you're saying "but it's a pleasure to do that with my Model S", or something to that effect.

Or, "It used to be a lot of work, but not anymore!"

 

[r31ncarnat3d]

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Originally Posted by mark45 Now the brown ones sound AWEFUL: http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4495

I use a Das Model S with Cherry MX Browns and they do not make that much noise. I'm pretty sure most of the sound is coming from him bottoming out on his keyboard. I've tried both the Browns and Blues, and bottoming out aside, the Blues definitely make more sound.

 

[ripster]

Actually the best single source of keyboard sound recordings on the whole Intertoobs are the ones I did since it's all using the same equipment, same typing sequences, same volume settings, and same setup for the mike placement. Link.