How come we're assuming it's either IPS or TN? What if it's none? The panels are manufactured by Sharp, so they're most likely IGZOs, as they don't show colour inversion.

Besides, the method they're using to determine one or another is crap. The 3DS screens don't use dynamic dithering, so all you'll see is how the black level calibration is set in your particular unit, not a deeper colour space.

 

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How come we're assuming it's either IPS or TN? What if it's none? The panels are manufactured by Sharp, so they're most likely IGZOs, as they don't show colour inversion.

While that could be true that still doesn't explain the difference. I don't claim to be an expert myself, so I'd be glad to hear from others here.

 

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Besides, the method they're using to determine one or another is crap. The 3DS screens don't use dynamic dithering, so all you'll see is how the black level calibration is set in your particular unit, not a deeper colour space.

But there are other noticeable differences which is why I linked the neogaf discussion, as well as people who have compared both.

 

I've got a new 3DS XL (US) and according to the black test, I've can only square 8 and up on the top screen and 4 and up on the bottom. This would mean I've got an IPS top panel.

 

Yes, there are two different displays, but as I said if any of them was TN you would see color inversion (as you change the angle the pixels are viewed at).

ASV and MVA are both Sharp technologies, and they both coincide with the differences we're seeing. ASV has practically no contrast/colour shift when viewed at an angle (easily confused with IPS due to this same nature). MVA has similar performance in terms of reproduction and accuracy, but does have shift when viewed at an angle, although never full inversion (as seen on TN).

E: Come to think about it, are VA panels even used in mobile devices?

 

Any expert here care to explain?
My N3DSXL can see 4 and above, top and bottom.
My old 3DSXL can see 8 and above, top and bottom. Does this mean my old one is an IPS? Doesn't sound right.

All in all, the new 3DS screen is a lot better.

 

If you look, you will see that a number of boxes are identical, there is no difference from 4 to 7, 8 to 11, and so on and so forth. It just means the display black level is calibrated differently in both displays.

As per this 'comparison' Reddit/Neogaf are making, the regular N3DS should have IPS panels - but it shows the exact same colour/contrast shift as the XL with 'TN panels'.

 

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If you look, you will see that a number of boxes are identical, there is no difference from 4 to 7, 8 to 11, and so on and so forth. It just means the display black level is calibrated differently in both displays.

As per this 'comparison' Reddit/Neogaf are making, the regular N3DS should have IPS panels - but it shows the exact same colour/contrast shift as the XL with 'TN panels'.

Actually no, no one is saying the normal new 3DS has a IPS panel. The only one that looks to have an IPS panel is the NEW XL, and not all of them.

 

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Actually no, no one is saying the normal new 3DS has a IPS panel. The only one that looks to have an IPS panel is the NEW XL, and not all of them.

I'm just voiding the method they use for comparison, not saying that one or the other has or has not an IPS panel.

 

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I'm just voiding the method they use for comparison, not saying that one or the other has or has not an IPS panel.

Well based off of the pictures in the neogaf thread, what would you think? I seems to be more than just the display black level is calibrated differently.

 

Yeah, my N3DS also has the contrast shift of the 'least-desirable' XL units (as far as I'm aware this is the case with all non-XL units). But they show the same black level calibration as supposedly IPS XLs, what's why my 'this discussion is a load of garbage thrown together that has some valid points but is overall speculation and misinformative crap' alarms went full blast.

 

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Yeah, my N3DS also has the contrast shift of the 'least-desirable' XL units (as far as I'm aware this is the case with all non-XL units). But they show the same black level calibration as supposedly IPS XLs, what's why my 'this discussion is a load of garbage thrown together that has some valid points but is overall speculation and misinformative crap' alarms went full blast.

Well I did put it in rumors after all

. I'm just looking to get to the bottom of this myself.

 

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How come we're assuming it's either IPS or TN? What if it's none? The panels are manufactured by Sharp, so they're most likely IGZOs, as they don't show colour inversion.

Besides, the method they're using to determine one or another is crap. The 3DS screens don't use dynamic dithering, so all you'll see is how the black level calibration is set in your particular unit, not a deeper colour space.

If they threw IGZOs on the new 3DS, then I will upgrade my kid's for that and the new 3D feature.

 

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How come we're assuming it's either IPS or TN? What if it's none? The panels are manufactured by Sharp, so they're most likely IGZOs, as they don't show colour inversion.

Besides, the method they're using to determine one or another is crap. The 3DS screens don't use dynamic dithering, so all you'll see is how the black level calibration is set in your particular unit, not a deeper colour space.

If they threw IGZOs on the new 3DS, then I will upgrade my kid's for that and the new 3D feature.

Don't quote me on that, it's pure speculation based solely on the fact that Sharp manufactures these displays and they pushing IGZOs onto everything they can get their hands on

 

Well, my N3DS XL has an IPS-type top screen and TN bottom. My O3DS XL has TN on top and bottom.

Top screen O3DS XL: With WiFi disabled, when looking at the disabled text in the top left, the grey color box around it inverts from grey to a baby blue color when I tilt the device. Colors are washed out, and I can't see the little squares in the background.
Top Screen N3DS XL: Nothing changes when tilting.

Bottom Screen O3DS XL: The white borders around the icons wash out and invert to a green-ish color when tilting.
Bottom Screen N3DS XL: Same.

My guess is they're trying to get rid of old stock on TN screens. It's pretty backwards to have a TN panel on the top screen when Super-Stable 3D is one of the biggest selling points of the device.

 

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Don't quote me on that, it's pure speculation based solely on the fact that Sharp manufactures these displays and they pushing IGZOs onto everything they can get their hands on

Maybe if I wait they will burn through the TN stock and increase the chances of it.

 

Just wanted to point out the IPS panels have "scan line" artifacts that occur, especially from vertical panning.
I'm not talking about screen door effect (black space) from the low PPI.
I noticed it right away thinking I got a defective unit, but the replacement also did it.
Both units also had backlight bleeding on the left side of the bottom screen where you could see the individual LEDs.

 

Just looking at the screen from on odd angle, I guess you could easily tell if its TN or not.

 

I hate when manufacturers do this (like same card model, some get Elpida and some get Samsung VRAM). I think I made a good choice in just hanging on to my original 3DS XL until all those TN screens are gone at least.

 

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Just wanted to point out the IPS panels have "scan line" artifacts that occur, especially from vertical panning.
I'm not talking about screen door effect (black space) from the low PPI.
I noticed it right away thinking I got a defective unit, but the replacement also did it.
Both units also had backlight bleeding on the left side of the bottom screen where you could see the individual LEDs.

That doesn't sound like an IGZO display, at least not the ones I have seen.

 

It's so much fun playing lottery when purchasing a product with your hard-earned money. Nintendo's customers won't give a crap though. They'll find a way to defend this.

 

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It's so much fun playing lottery when purchasing a product with your hard-earned money. Nintendo's customers won't give a crap though. They'll find a way to defend this.

TBH most Nintendo owners probably won't even notice or care.

 

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TBH most Nintendo owners probably won't even notice or care.

This.

The extreme majority of people don't realize there are different panel types, they literally have no idea. The most you will get is Plasma vs LCD, but only due to that being drilled into their skulls.

 

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That doesn't sound like an IGZO display, at least not the ones I have seen.

Only a few reports of people noticing it.

This guy really wanted a N3DSXL without a bad screen:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/scanlines-on-n3ds-xl.381530/

Spoiler: He never found one.
Also talks about how he can see it when physically moving the screen. I only noticed it from camera movement in games.

 

Other option is screen calibrations.
Not every screen is 100% calibrated. Could be deviations of color/contrast/brightness between them.
I don't think they are spending a lot to make sure every screen is fully calibrated, if at all.