[v1ks]

Hello, all you happy people!

Planning to use this nice lil' case in a future build. Have glanced through some of the pages in this thread, but there's just so many of them that I sort of gave up in the process. My apologies if the questions have been already answered.

The build will be a budget gaming rig for some light to medium gaming at 1080p. Nothing fancy, no AAA titles at ultra settings.

So the few questions that are bothering me at the moment are:
- Should I get an SFX PSU for this case, even though ATX PSU's are supported. Less space taken up in the case -> more airflow? Any other benefits I'm missing here?
- Any point to cut the PSU cables to "needed" length and resleeve them in another attempt to improve airflow and make cable management less of a hassle (getting a fully modular unit for the build)?
- If I understand correctly, 140mm AIO rads are pretty much out of the question, since they cover the GPU cutout and 120mm AIO can only be used with a single fan? Would it be possible at all, to use 120 in push/pull, by using slim 13 or 15mm fans instead of normal 25mm ones? Would that actually improve the temps?

That's it for now...
Thanks for the best SG13 knowledge base on the web.

V.

 

[baii]

Quote:

Originally Posted by v1ks

Hello, all you happy people!

Planning to use this nice lil' case in a future build. Have glanced through some of the pages in this thread, but there's just so many of them that I sort of gave up in the process. My apologies if the questions have been already answered.

The build will be a budget gaming rig for some light to medium gaming at 1080p. Nothing fancy, no AAA titles at ultra settings.

So the few questions that are bothering me at the moment are:
- Should I get an SFX PSU for this case, even though ATX PSU's are supported. Less space taken up in the case -> more airflow? Any other benefits I'm missing here?
- Any point to cut the PSU cables to "needed" length and resleeve them in another attempt to improve airflow and make cable management less of a hassle (getting a fully modular unit for the build)?
- If I understand correctly, 140mm AIO rads are pretty much out of the question, since they cover the GPU cutout and 120mm AIO can only be used with a single fan? Would it be possible at all, to use 120 in push/pull, by using slim 13 or 15mm fans instead of normal 25mm ones? Would that actually improve the temps?

That's it for now...
Thanks for the best SG13 knowledge base on the web.

V.

The points you mentioned all go against your goal of a "budget "build.
1. Sfx psu are typically 20-30 more for the same quality. And 20ish mm ain't gonna buy you much choice.
2. That would require you to buy a crimper for about 20-40, which is a good investment imo and something I probably would do in future, but once you are into the hole of custom psu cable....
3. A single good quality 120mm 25mm rad fan with any of the thin rad aio your best bet for cost/perf.

 

[styygeli]

Quote:

Originally Posted by v1ks

Hello, all you happy people!
- If I understand correctly, 140mm AIO rads are pretty much out of the question, since they cover the GPU cutout and 120mm AIO can only be used with a single fan?

I'm using H80i in push/pull config with the fans that came with it. Pictures somewhere a few pages back, maybe a bit more.

It's a tight fit.

 

[v1ks]

Quote:

Originally Posted by baii

The points you mentioned all go against your goal of a "budget "build.
1. Sfx psu are typically 20-30 more for the same quality. And 20ish mm ain't gonna buy you much choice.
2. That would require you to buy a crimper for about 20-40, which is a good investment imo and something I probably would do in future, but once you are into the hole of custom psu cable....
3. A single good quality 120mm 25mm rad fan with any of the thin rad aio your best bet for cost/perf.

1. Good call on the SFX PSU. To be perfectly honest with ya, I hadn't checked the prices before posting. The cheapest quality SFX PSU I could find over here (LV, EU) is the SST-SX500-LG at $80 while something like SST-ST50F-PB can be had for $58. Then again, we're comparing a Bronze unit VS a Gold unit. Are there any ATX alternatives you happen to know which have better price/performance? 500W is plenty for my needs.

2. Even though I have have a pin extractor kit and I know a guy who could lend me a crimper, I found this place and for the price they're asking, it sort of defeats the purpose to do it myself. Ordering the sleeve alone would cost me more than getting pre-sleeved cables cut to my required length from Chinaland.

3. At the moment, unless I find some pretty damn solid reasons to buy something else instead, I plan on getting a Maelstorm 120k. For some reason, this particular AIO costs dirt cheap over here, or perhaps, everything else costs more than it should. I don't know... as it stands, I can get the Maelstorm for $41. Tundra Lite, for example, is $61, and Seidon 120V around $50 and Kraken X31 whopping $82 and Corsair H80i even more - $93. The reviews that I've looked at so far, pretty much tell me that at stock CPU speeds all those AIOs perform within a couple of centigrades, I figured I might as well go with the Maelstorm.

Well, I guess I'll scratch the plans of running dual slim fans then... I was mostly curious if dual slim fans could actually outperform a single normal fan... as in, would they offer more static pressure and move more air. For some reason I can't seem to find any decent source, which would list static pressure measurements of slim fans...

Quote:

Originally Posted by styygeli

I'm using H80i in push/pull config with the fans that came with it. Pictures somewhere a few pages back, maybe a bit more.

It's a tight fit.

Thanks! I found the pictures... tight indeed! Sadly, the H80i is a bit too expensive. Actually it's twice as expensive as the Maelstorm I've set my eyes on and it doesn't quite offer twice the performance, judging by the charts in various reviews...

 

[battlegrog]

Hey guys,

Does anyone know if this case would be ok for a amd build or would it get to hot and just go for an Intel build? I'd Ike to keep the costs down and go with amd but I know it gets hotter.

Anyone have amd builds In this case and it's fine and not over heating? If so any suggestions of which processor ect.again otherwise I guess I'll go for expensive intel

 

[kokobash]

Quote:

Originally Posted by battlegrog

Hey guys,

Does anyone know if this case would be ok for a amd build or would it get to hot and just go for an Intel build? I'd Ike to keep the costs down and go with amd but I know it gets hotter.

Anyone have amd builds In this case and it's fine and not over heating? If so any suggestions of which processor ect.again otherwise I guess I'll go for expensive intel

Only procs with itx boards right now are their APUs which are not very powerful. If youre not doing any fancy or extreme stuff then its ok to go for an amd route. And there would be no any heat issues.

Edit: if you want an apu then just go for an a10 7870k w/ a88x board. Slap in an aio for overclocking needs. If you wanr a cpu+gpu combo, you go for an 860k and a R9 380 or 380x(soon). Or a gtx 950 for casual mobas

 

[battlegrog]

So don't get I for gaming? I saw videos of some people making powerful gaming rigs with this case

 

[kokobash]

Quote:

Originally Posted by battlegrog

So don't get I for gaming? I saw videos of some people making powerful gaming rigs with this case

Huh? When did i say that. You were asking for amd builds right?

go intel if you want a strong build for this case

 

[v1ks]

Quote:

Originally Posted by battlegrog

Hey guys,

Does anyone know if this case would be ok for a amd build or would it get to hot and just go for an Intel build? I'd Ike to keep the costs down and go with amd but I know it gets hotter.

Anyone have amd builds In this case and it's fine and not over heating? If so any suggestions of which processor ect.again otherwise I guess I'll go for expensive intel

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but... there are only mITX boards for FM2/FM2+ socket, which limits you to AMD APU's only. IIRC that means that the best chip you can plug into an AMD ITX motherboard is the A10 7870K. Said APU + decent mobo + 8Gb of standard 1600Mhz/CL9 would cost you $267 (135+87+45 at Newegg). Take into consideration that in a few months AMD releases it's Zen chips, so you're buying a product that's about to expire and you'll have no upgrade path.

If buying the "expensive Intel", you could get the following.
i3 6100 + Z170 mobo + 8Gb 2666Mhz/CL15 RAM for $308 (125+135+58-10(rebate) at Newegg). Yes, it's $40 more expensive, but, you're on the latest Intel architecture, with a quality motherboard that has top of the range chipset. The setup is superior in pretty much every way. Only aces up AMD's sleeves is better integrated graphics, which is rather irrelevant, since you will want discrete anyway and the ability to overclock, which again is irrelevant, because a) you're building in pretty much the smallest ITX case and b) even with overclock you won't beat the i3 significantly, imho.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-AMD-A10-7870K-APU/m36976vsm29728

So, in case you wonder, why the expensive Z170 board and why not a cheaper set of RAM...
The Z170 chipset is the only chipset to support RAM speeds higher than 2133Mhz. So far reviews show that i3 greatly benefits from higher speed RAM and is worth the investment. Also, a Z170 board offers you more new and shiny technology, such as latest gen M2 slot and USB 3.1, which could prove to be useful in the long run.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-intel-core-i3-6100-review
http://www.techspot.com/review/1087-best-value-desktop-cpu/

Obviously, feel free to dismiss the arguments in favour of a Z170 board and get a H170/B150/H110 board instead. In that scenario, I'd say you could actually match the AMD setup's price, due to cheaper motherboard and cheaper RAM.

My two cents on the matter. Hope it helps!

V.

 

[kokobash]

Get high ram frequency if usibg an a10 7870k. 2133 or 2400 mhz. It will give a significant boost in performance

 

[bahamutzero]

Guys what's the difference between v1.0 and v1.3 revisions of this case? I know they made front panel and power connectors stronger, but is there anything else? Thanks.

Btw, i can confirm it's not necessary to remove the hdd bracket when using 170mm PSU. You can even use the holes for ties and cable management.

 

[battlegrog]

Sounds like intel would be the way to go for this case then

 

[battlegrog]

So again does anyone think AMD is a bad idea for this case ? Cus the heat sync would of course be smaller and shorter in this case compared to a normal big one. Since AMD gets more hot maybe its a bad idea ?

 

[kokobash]

Quote:

Originally Posted by battlegrog

So again does anyone think AMD is a bad idea for this case ? Cus the heat sync would of course be smaller and shorter in this case compared to a normal big one. Since AMD gets more hot maybe its a bad idea ?

You talking bout video cards right? Open air cooler would generally cause more heat inside the case. But yeah an r9 390 or 390x would prosuce more heat inside the case than a 970/980 one. If you want an amd route then go for a fury x or a fury nano. Though a. Nano would throttle faster in this case

 

[v1ks]

Quote:

Originally Posted by battlegrog

So again does anyone think AMD is a bad idea for this case ? Cus the heat sync would of course be smaller and shorter in this case compared to a normal big one. Since AMD gets more hot maybe its a bad idea ?

AMD is a bad choice for a number of reasons, not just the case.
- First you have the fact that you can only get FM2+ socket motherboards in ITX form factor, which limits you AMD APUs.
- The best AMD APU you can get is the A10 7870k, which costs more than something like i3 6100.
- By getting an APU, you're actually paying a price premium for an iGPU. An iGPU you won't be using anyway, because you need a discrete GPU for any reasonable gaming.
- The A10 7870k is a weaker processor than the i3 in pretty much any single or multi core scenario. The few cases where AMD could prove to be better, hardly matters if your main goal is gaming.
- As for the overclocking - you have pretty much everything going against you. First the fact that FM2+ ITX boards are hardly suited for overclocking, second the fact that SG13 is as cramped as it gets and finally even if you do manage to push and keep stable that 7870k somewhere in the 4.5Ghz range, I'm still not certain it would offer seriously increased performance over the i3.

 

[engmsf]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanka

Hi all,

I recently completed my SG13 build. I owe a lot to this thread for helping me out. The details of my build include:

i5 6500 (3.2GHZ)
Noctua NH-L9i cooler
Gigabyte GA-H170N-WIFI
Noctua NF-F12PWM
Silverstone SX500-LG
G.Skill DDR4-2133
Sapphire R380 4gb
Corsair 240gb SSD

I was particularly interested in how cool the build would stay. Playing Wticher 3 at 1440p on high, I haven't seen the the CPU go above 40 degrees celsius. The GPU is louder than I hoped and runs a little warm; when gaming it sits around 75 degrees celsius.

If anyone has any questions, please ask

I am looking at an air cool solution as well and have no plans to OC the CPU. Would the Season G-550 still fit in the SG13?

http://www.seasonicusa.com/G-series-450-550-650.htm
L = 160mm W = 150mm H = 86mm

The Silverstone website says standard ATX PSU, however further down there is this note "* Maximum length for PSU is 150mm, we recommend 140mm due to varying connector locations on PSUs and the unique structure of SG13."
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=536

 

[staffsMike]

You can use the 860K on FM2 platform. Essentially the same CPU that is used in the APUs but without the integrated graphics. Saves money but in terms of performance is weak compared to intel offerings.

 

[bahamutzero]

Quote:

Originally Posted by engmsf

The Silverstone website says standard ATX PSU, however further down there is this note "* Maximum length for PSU is 150mm, we recommend 140mm due to varying connector locations on PSUs and the unique structure of SG13."
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=536

As I said above, you can use PSU of any length if you don't plan to use a 3.5" HDD. You don't even have to (permanently) remove metal bracket next to it.
140mm PSU is recommended if you want to use 3.5" disks and still have some room for connectors and cables.

 

[Flamingo]

Is it possible to update the main post to include recommended AIO water coolers. From what Im looking around at, watercoolers with following are good for Push/Pull

Rad thickness upto 27mm.
Tubing thickness 9.5mm (10.77 could work?)

Corsair ones are not recommended because of thicker tubing across most all their line up (H55/H70/H80). Tubing is 14mm thick (for H80i/H60) and 9.5mm(H80 - but H80 had pump issues and is discontinued?)

Antec has the 600 series in 25mm (Kuhler 620). Tubing is 10.77mm thck. Kuhler 650 cannot be used for custom push/pull because of extra pump integrated into fan.

Coolermaster has Seideon series in 120M and 120V both 27mm radiator thickness. Tubing is 9.5mm.

 

[Dyson Poindexter]

I haven't seen many build logs with custom water on the cpu+gpu. It would be a lot easier with blocks that have the ports at the "front" of the card though. With an apogee drive, and a rad that doubles as a res, you could have a loop with less than a foot of tubing if you really tried!