umm.... X79 is socket 2011 and it does have a 6 core cpu around the $500 range.

 

i mean z97

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=366

 

Not sure where you are going with this. X79 is socket 2011 and does have 6/8 cores. The z87/97 boards have the 1150 socket which is not the enthusiast series. I really doubt you will see anything above quad core with HT any time soon for non enthusiast intel.

X99 on the other hand looks very promising, but will really break the bank when it comes out for an 8 core with DDR4.

 

Really no reason to I suppose. A 4 core Intel easily competes with AMD's best so I'm guessing they don't see a reason to bring it down to consumer levels just yet.

 

Have you even looked at the benchmarks of an AMD 6 core vs something like a 4770k?

 

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Originally Posted by navynuke499

Not sure where you are going with this. X79 is socket 2011 and does have 6/8 cores. The z87/97 boards have the 1150 socket which is not the enthusiast series. I really doubt you will see anything above quad core with HT any time soon for non enthusiast intel.

X99 on the other hand looks very promising, but will really break the bank when it comes out for an 8 core with DDR4.

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Originally Posted by nbmjhk6

Really no reason to I suppose. A 4 core Intel easily competes with AMD's best so I'm guessing they don't see a reason to bring it down to consumer levels just yet.

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Originally Posted by jasjeet

Have you even looked at the benchmarks of an AMD 6 core vs something like a 4770k?

http://www.evga.com/products/Product.aspx?pn=152-HR-E979-KR

I'm wanting to get dual 6gb GTX780Tis or dual GTX880s if you think that would work on an 1100T then great but, i still have bios issues that asrock refuses to acknowledge, this EVGA board hit all the marks for me save for lacking legacy PCI so i can use my high quality sound card (PCIe version suck and require floppy power connectors). however if the 1100T @ 4ghz will handle dual top end card i'll probably keep it i just won't be able to adjust ram timings, which sucks because i have high dollar Wonder Ram.

 

just get an amd 8 core CPU, moar cores.

there is no 6gb 780ti either.

 

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

http://www.evga.com/products/Product.aspx?pn=152-HR-E979-KR

I'm wanting to get dual 6gb GTX780Tis or dual GTX880s if you think that would work on an 1100T then great but, i still have bios issues that asrock refuses to acknowledge, this EVGA board hit all the marks for me save for lacking legacy PCI so i can use my high quality sound card (PCIe version suck and require floppy power connectors)

Id say upgrade the cpu and mobo as well if you are going to spend that much on gpus. what sound card do you have? the technology hasnt really changed much over the years so you should be able to get a similar one in PCIe.

 

Dual 780s warrants an upgrade to an Intel system, single GPU stick with AMD, no need to spend money just to tweak RAM which has 0 impact on performance in games.

 

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Originally Posted by ghostrider85

just get an amd 8 core CPU, moar cores.

there is no 6gb 780ti either.

Crap performance on the single thread side since they lack FPUs on the modules, mean 4 cores 4 FPUs and 4 threads/modules.... but, not out of th question HOWEVER if i'm gonna upgrade the CPU why use a board with a busted overclocking features?

The GTX780 Ti 6GB has been announced and is supposed to be coming out soon by the same logic the GTX880 doesn't exist yet either.

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Originally Posted by navynuke499

Id say upgrade the cpu and mobo as well if you are going to spend that much on gpus. what sound card do you have? the technology hasnt really changed much over the years so you should be able to get a similar one in PCIe.

I want an all black mobo or black and blue,

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=150-SE-E789-K2

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=152-HW-E878-KR

except these boards need modification to remove the red coloring : / (the rest of my setup and rig are black and blue)

I have an Asus Xonar D1, it's PCIe counter part requires the extra cabling and has been known to have a glitch or that the PCI version does not.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1493440/pcie-sound-card-s-comparable-or-better-thant-xonar-d1-without-external-power-connector#post_22358523

I'd really like to keep thing under 2k if possible but, i can understanding spending more for quality... all assuming i get this job (fingers crossed)

 

Mainstream wont get 6cores(maybe after skylak would)
The only way for 6-8cores on intel is the enthusiast plataform

 

If you will buy two 780Ti then i suggest you get the 4930k or the haswell-e cpus with ddr4.

 

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Originally Posted by PachAz

If you will buy two 780Ti then i suggest you get the 4930k or the haswell-e cpus with ddr4.

why? we haven't even tapped out DDR3 yet. also i have some some of the nicest DDR3 ever made and that would save over $100 USD.

 

Single 780Ti get AMD 8 core, dual 780TIs get 4930k or 4770k depending on budget.

 

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Originally Posted by PachAz

If you will buy two 780Ti then i suggest you get the 4930k or the haswell-e cpus with ddr4.

Why?

2011 is only needed for high end Triple or Quad GPU setups.
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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

Crap performance on the single thread side since they lack FPUs on the modules, mean 4 cores 4 FPUs and 4 threads/modules.... but, not out of th question HOWEVER if i'm gonna upgrade the CPU why use a board with a busted overclocking features?

The GTX780 Ti 6GB has been announced and is supposed to be coming out soon by the same logic the GTX880 doesn't exist yet either.

I want an all black mobo or black and blue,

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=150-SE-E789-K2

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=152-HW-E878-KR

except these boards need modification to remove the red coloring : / (the rest of my setup and rig are black and blue)

I have an Asus Xonar D1, it's PCIe counter part requires the extra cabling and has been known to have a glitch or that the PCI version does not.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1493440/pcie-sound-card-s-comparable-or-better-thant-xonar-d1-without-external-power-connector#post_22358523

I'd really like to keep thing under 2k if possible but, i can understanding spending more for quality... all assuming i get this job (fingers crossed)

If you want the best you can get right now then grab a Z97 board + 4970k + a single 780Ti then grab another GPU later, but I'd get some r9 290's or the 6GB version of the GTX 780 for the extra vram if you want higher res.

 

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Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko

Why?

2011 is only needed for high end Triple or Quad GPU setups.
If you want the best you can get right now then grab a Z97 board + 4970k + a single 780Ti then grab another GPU later, but I'd get some r9 290's or the 6GB version of the GTX 780 for the extra vram if you want higher res.

i'll be in it for the long haul what ever GPUs i get will need to be of the one of the highest models available because i won't be upgraded for for another 5 years. the other thing i'm considering is getting both GPUs and just keeping mt 1100T at least for now. if a q9550 with average OC can handle a plain Jane GTX780 then i'm sure my 1100T @ 4ghz with ddr3 shouldn't choke to horribly with 2 Ti 6gb editions. i just wish i could tighten my timing to get the most out of the CPU with out the bios bugging.

On a side note i've had it with AMD's software so it definitely be an nivida GPU.

 

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

i'll be in it for the long haul what ever GPUs i get will need to be of the one of the highest models available because i won't be upgraded for for another 5 years. the other thing i'm considering is getting both GPUs and just keeping mt 1100T at least for now. if a q9550 with average OC can handle a plain Jane GTX780 then i'm sure my 1100T @ 4ghz with ddr3 shouldn't choke to horribly with 2 Ti 6gb editions. i just wish i could tighten my timing to get the most out of the CPU with out the bios bugging.

On a side note i've had it with AMD's software so it definitely be an nivida GPU.

I'm not sure they are releasing a 780Ti with 6GB though :/
That's why i suggested the 6GB 780's

But i still think a 4770k or 4970k would be best considering they have better single thread performance than the 2011 chips.

Considering what you're running now i agree with going for GPU's first then CPU/Mobo second.

I have a couple of HD 4850's and while they are beastly cards they aren't up to stratch anymore

 

Stop worrying about the RAM, there is nothing to gain. I can tell you first hand, i only bought the samsungs because i got them cheaper than any other Ram that i could find.

 

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Originally Posted by navynuke499

Not sure where you are going with this. X79 is socket 2011 and does have 6/8 cores. The z87/97 boards have the 1150 socket which is not the enthusiast series. I really doubt you will see anything above quad core with HT any time soon for non enthusiast intel.

X99 on the other hand looks very promising, but will really break the bank when it comes out for an 8 core with DDR4.

No worry for me - gonna rob one

Love to see some benches with this set up

 

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Originally Posted by jasjeet

Stop worrying about the RAM, there is nothing to gain. I can tell you first hand, i only bought the samsungs because i got them cheaper than any other Ram that i could find.

I think the only game that benefits from raw ram speed atm is BF4 and even then it's not significant from memory (pun not intended).

 

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Originally Posted by ladcrooks

No worry for me - gonna rob one

Love to see some benches with this set up

Can you pick me one up too...maybe some DDR4 too

When it comes to gaming your better off sticking with a 4770K and improving other areas of your rig, 6 and 8 cores are only really worth it if you bench or need a workstation.

 

First of all, a i7 4770 with a single 780Ti will perform better in all games than your 1100t AMD cpu, and that is because of many reason, like:

- Single core performance is much greater on the 4770k and the 4670k
- Most games dont even use more than 4 cores, only a limited amount of games use 6-8 cores and even less are taking advantage of HT
- Despite the 4770k and 4670k only have 4 cores rather than 6 (AMD), they outperform the AMD even in multithreaded apps, due to the 4x cores beeing faster alltogeather than 6x cores on the AMD. This is visible on the fx8350 as well, where a quad i5 perform similar or better in multithreaded apps. So no, its not only about the amount of cores, and I have said this many times before. Just because a app or game use more than 4 cores, doesnt mean a 6-8 core cpu will perform better than a fast quad. In most (not all) games, a highly clocked i5 will be the worlds fastest consumer cpu for the price.

But by that said, there are no guarantees you will see a double increase in fps, just because you add a second card. Having two 780ti and a 4930k is a nish, it will give insane performance in games taking fully advantage of the hardware, but the games are few for now. We are mostly software limitated these days though. The reason people recommend a 6 core intel with 2-3 high end gpus is because in games using 6-8 cores, the 6 core intel will have a advantage over a quad and it has been like this even since the 7970 erra, where there were several reports that a quad bottlnecked two 7970 in games like bf3 and crysis 3. Imagine the stress two 780ti will put on the system, since people claim (and I dont think so) that two 7970 is equal to a 780ti.

But I think that if you are putting the money up (and you seem to have a kinda big and overpowered budget) you can might as well spend 200 bucks extra and get a true 6 core intel cpu and spend 100 bucks extra on the mobo and get a x79. You got to decide what you want. If you intend to play with only a single card in the future, a highly clocked i5 will cover most of your needs even in games using 6-8 cores. But once you put in that second 780ti in the i5 plattform, its another gaem.

Also to be honest, in games only using 1-2 cores, which 90% of all mmo and mmorpg games does you will get bottlenecked anyways regardles of the gpu you are using. Not to mention many games run on old and unoptimized game engines that will use 70% of you cpu and 50% of you gpu for some reason, and that is software limitations that will limit you regardles of setup.

One this is intresting though, people speak about bottlenecks all time, but what cpu will give best performance in terms of fps? Lets say a game use 70% of one core on a fx8350 at 4.5ghz and use 70% of one core on the i5 4670k at 4.5Ghz. Which one of these two will give most fps? Can two different cpus perform different despite the load on the cores are exactly the same at one given moment? And if this is the case, the situation became even more complicated.

Last but not least, a picture that illustrates the dilemma:

 

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Originally Posted by jasjeet

Stop worrying about the RAM, there is nothing to gain. I can tell you first hand, i only bought the samsungs because i got them cheaper than any other Ram that i could find.

tighter timings can reduce latency. some CPUs get performance gains from reduced latency, others don't. The only one i know of first hand that does is the q9550 other than that i have no idea.

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Originally Posted by jeffries7

Can you pick me one up too...maybe some DDR4 too

When it comes to gaming your better off sticking with a 4770K and improving other areas of your rig, 6 and 8 cores are only really worth it if you bench or need a workstation.

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Originally Posted by PachAz

First of all, a i7 4770 with a single 780Ti will perform better in all games than your 1100t AMD cpu, and that is because of many reason, like:

- Single core performance is much greater on the 4770k and the 4670k
- Most games dont even use more than 4 cores, only a limited amount of games use 6-8 cores and even less are taking advantage of HT
- Despite the 4770k and 4670k only have 4 cores rather than 6 (AMD), they outperform the AMD even in multithreaded apps, due to the 4x cores beeing faster alltogeather than 6x cores on the AMD. This is visible on the fx8350 as well, where a quad i5 perform similar or better in multithreaded apps. So no, its not only about the amount of cores, and I have said this many times before. Just because a app or game use more than 4 cores, doesnt mean a 6-8 core cpu will perform better than a fast quad. In most (not all) games, a highly clocked i5 will be the worlds fastest consumer cpu for the price.

But by that said, there are no guarantees you will see a double increase in fps, just because you add a second card. Having two 780ti and a 4930k is a nish, it will give insane performance in games taking fully advantage of the hardware, but the games are few for now. We are mostly software limitated these days though. The reason people recommend a 6 core intel with 2-3 high end gpus is because in games using 6-8 cores, the 6 core intel will have a advantage over a quad and it has been like this even since the 7970 erra, where there were several reports that a quad bottlnecked two 7970 in games like bf3 and crysis 3. Imagine the stress two 780ti will put on the system, since people claim (and I dont think so) that two 7970 is equal to a 780ti.

But I think that if you are putting the money up (and you seem to have a kinda big and overpowered budget) you can might as well spend 200 bucks extra and get a true 6 core intel cpu and spend 100 bucks extra on the mobo and get a x79. You got to decide what you want. If you intend to play with only a single card in the future, a highly clocked i5 will cover most of your needs even in games using 6-8 cores. But once you put in that second 780ti in the i5 plattform, its another gaem.

Also to be honest, in games only using 1-2 cores, which 90% of all mmo and mmorpg games does you will get bottlenecked anyways regardles of the gpu you are using. Not to mention many games run on old and unoptimized game engines that will use 70% of you cpu and 50% of you gpu for some reason, and that is software limitations that will limit you regardles of setup.

One this is intresting though, people speak about bottlenecks all time, but what cpu will give best performance in terms of fps? Lets say a game use 70% of one core on a fx8350 at 4.5ghz and use 70% of one core on the i5 4670k at 4.5Ghz. Which one of these two will give most fps? Can two different cpus perform different despite the load on the cores are exactly the same at one given moment? And if this is the case, the situation became even more complicated.

Last but not least, a picture that illustrates the dilemma:

I want a six core because i do a lot of multi tasking and VMing, 4cores for gaming 2 more for other stuff at the same time as gaming. also if upgrade my cpu it's gonna be the CUP i have for the next 5 to 6 years. Also i know an intel 4core is faster than an AMD 6 core, which would only make an that much more faster and better than the AMD 6 core.

I'm very a second card doesn't double FPS. The only reasons i'm running an HD4850 is because i have 2 of them. It used to be one of the best cards money could get you at the time. 5 years later it only manages to stay relevant but, only because i can't afford any new hardware (unless i get this new job). The only reason i want 2 is for longevity i likely i won't be running 2 of them right of the bat sometime later when they drop in price... or i might go hog wild and get 2 now.

If i do run 1 or 2 with an 1100T i'll still be using both cards when i update my plat form and CPU.

Also i don't any CoD, Battlefield or world of tanks. My most demanding games are crysis/crysis war head and the Metro series... at least until the next steam sale or if i ever get star citizen.... or The Whitcher 3.

I'm not arguing an 1100T will bottle neck with 2 780 Tis but, do we have any proof or any one who posted who did try it? (i'm interested in the results)

But, yeah i'm only interested in go balls out because that's all i'm ever gonna able to afford fora while if i can and i want to get the best now so it sucks just a little less later on. At this point we are talking used car money which is on of the main reason i'm tempted to use what i have now.
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Originally Posted by Sgt Bilko

I think the only game that benefits from raw ram speed atm is BF4 and even then it's not significant from memory (pun not intended).

EVGA just announced a step up program for current 780/780Ti owners so they can step up to the Ti 6gb version when it comes out.

 

Then get a x5660 lga 1366. O even 2 and a evga sr 2 cheaper than buying a 12core xeon for 1000usd+

 

I think that, speaking about "proof" in terms of what will bottleneck or not is very difficult and highly dependant on what games one is playing and how many screens/resolution. But generally speaking, gettting two 780ti with a 1100t is not a good idea, if we take into consideration the weakness of AMD cpu to beginn with. In some games you might get a boost going one or even two 780Ti and in some games you might not. As I have said before, for consistent and error free gaming and working, get a single cpu and a single gpu system, and I still hold on to that. It is just like with cars and tuning, there are streetable setups, and ther are overkill ones, which pretty much only are good at dyno benching or at a drag strip. That 4930k with two 780ti might put out insane numbers at benchmakrs, but in general gaming, the setup will still be too limited by the software. In workstation enviorment I dont know, because those professional softwares utilize the multiple cores very well.

I cant urge you to upgrade because its your money time, but I think that you will be limited by your cpu in pretty much any game going with a 780ti because of above mentioned factors.

Pontiac speak about getting a xeon cpu for the 1366. While this can be a good alternative to get good performance per dollar. We must understand that the single core performance (which is still important in games) is lacking, unless you OC these to like 5ghz to even get close to single core performance of the newer cpus. Getting high end 1366 motherboards is not cheap either not to mention they are alreaddy "old" and might fail. I can only see getting a xeon if you alreaddy own a high en 1366 motherboard and suitable memory. Because lets face it, you can get insane performance getting a i7 4770k and a middle end mobo and ram, for less than a used xeon + high end 1366 system. The differance between a i7 4770k and a xeon 6 core will be in multithreaded apps, where those 2 extra cores might help little, and in games like crysis 3 and bf4 that use 8 cores.