Impressive is an understatement. That thing is demolishing Intel's counterpart and beating a discrete CPU+GPU combo in most tests, with good minimums too, for less than $200. That's tremendous value.

 

Yes it is, and good iGPU gaming starts from only 100$.

 

Looks nice.

 

Its way too good for this price. It blasts away anything Intel has to offer at this moment. Makes a system cheaper by ~80-100$ for budget builds. Now, lets see what Intel has to offer, with the Vega iGPU alongside. Although, its probably only going to ever see mobile...

 

2400G , 8GB 2400mhz ram and asus A320M-K for €350 on amazon. (8GB Ram being 100€)

 

I wonder if they moved away from solder because of the GPU?

If Ryzen 2 coming out in the next few months has TIM instead of solder... I don't know how AMD can use the Black Edition label with a straight face.

 

Previous FM1/FM2/+ APUs and CPUs also used paste instead of solder.

 

From the looks of it, the 2200G is best value. Only within a few points of the 2400G. With the memory bandwidth limitation, if you're just going to be gaming, the 2200G is best no doubt.

 

But how well does it mine?

 

Asking the real questions.

$200 for a half-decent mining setup might inadvertently brick discrete GPU prices back to mortal regimes.

 

I have found my new APU replacement for my aging AMD FM1-3650 APU on my HTPC , new built incoming ...

 

Interesting.. Do you think this would make a good choice for an HTPC? For some reason Plex won't stream in original quality HEVC videos to my old laptop anymore. I have to play them through the network drive using VLC.

 

Getting closer. In a few years I'll ditch dgpu's altogether.

 

I'm in love. I've been waiting for an APU like this for a while now. I'll be buying a few and recommending it to my budget-building friends as well. Can't wait to see a full range of laptops with beasts like these.

 

This is what I was waiting for to be at the center of my HTPC. Much excite.

 

Any definitive word on ECC support with the memory controllers on these new APUs? I purchased a 2400G to test, but I won't know until the weekend.

 

I'm really hoping for better memory support. I would love to see some benchmarks with faster system RAM just to see how much we can gain.

All those going for HTPCs, what setup/case are you using? I'm looking to replace my aging E350 HTPC.

 

I'm using a SilverStone Sugo SG05BB, but I wouldn't recommend it. It's pretty cramped for how large it is. The Phanteks PH-ES215PTG looks interesting to me, but it's not really HTPC style. It has more of a miniature desktop look.

 

Very good product. Looks like something partners and venders could love.

It is bit too much for toms to overclock this platform and leave the best at stock. Better to do that in a different review or give the same treatment to other products.

 

Can the Intel models they were comparing against be overclocked? I didnt think they could unless they are "K" models. Obviously the old AMD A10 can, but that is so slow is is not even really part of the review other than to show how much of a leap this is over last gen APUs.

 

Should we expect a more powerful Ryzen 7 version?

 

According to what has been said already, there is no plan for a Ryzen 7 version. Why would you even bother though? Ryzen 7 isn't really for gamers. The highest I'd go is the 1600 and that's it.

 

As I posted in Ryzen 5 owner club:

Beware of poor reporting (sleep bug in Windows 8 and newer)
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-raven-ridge-overclocking
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-5...iew-benchmarks

claims Ryzen 5 2400G clocks to 4.55GHz when every other reviewer topped out around 4GHz.

 

So these processors are already part of the new ryzen refresh?

What do you think this means for Ryzen 7 CPUs? Will we see any signifikant improvements (10-20% more performance due to more mhz and/ or higher IPC) or just 100-200mhz and a few percent in some tasks?

 

No, Raven Ridge APU is still on 14nm or Summit Ridge first Ryzen CPU+Vega GPU.

Ryzen+ or Pinnacle Ridge is on 12nm=higher CPU frequencies+ up to 10% higher IPC.

 

This line needs a 95W product so badly. Make a Ryzen 5 2600G with 4 cores 8 threads that clocks up to 4Ghz on turbo and increase GPU core count to 1024, then I'm sold.

Why the hell they limit themselves to 65W when their platform is 95W capable is beyond me... Perhaps AMD really likes the term "underdelivering company" and wants it stuck with them.

Another thing about memory bandwidth:

It's quite clear that these GPUs severely bottlenecked by memory bandwidth as DDR4 3200Mhz at 64bit is barely enough. Yet Ryzen's IMC still can't handle anything faster than 3200. Keep in mind AMD, if you are going to make an APU, next time make sure your IMC design is top notch and can handle speeds above 3200Mhz. I know Intel also officially supports very low speed ram but it's a breeze to run 4266Mhz ram with 8700K.


There are kits out there that clocks up to 4700Mhz... sure that's extreme, you don't have to go that much, at least let some of us go up to 4000 by overclocking to remove that bottleneck... I have never seen any Ryzen chip that can run any ram speed above 3600mhz and even that's very rare and happens with cherry picked samples.

Amd = late & weak.

 

1) 65W means nothing. It will not improve overclocking.
2) 1024 CU will do nothing since it held back by Memory. Stock 704 CU card is 1250MHz and can OC to 1650MHz but the gains are not that crazy.
3) Sure faster memory support is nice but this is a budget solution and 3200+ is not budget.

 

Can't wait for the laptop counterparts! I wanna replace my aging acer and turn it into a linux experimentation rig.

 

Good review.

 

Throughout this review, cpu and gpu have vowed, in our presence, to be loyal and loving towards each other.

They have formalized the existence of the bond between them with words spoken and with the giving and receiving of infinity fabric.

Therefore, it is my pleasure to now pronounce them as Ryzen APU's.

You may now kiss your dies!

 

You may now kiss your dies!

Quite literally in fact as one may be able to potentially ditch the IHS completely and do direct-die cooling just with the stock heatsink since the CPU retention mechanism doesn't go over the IHS and the Wraith Stealth is a screw-on cooler.

I wonder if they moved away from solder because of the GPU?

If Ryzen 2 coming out in the next few months has TIM instead of solder... I don't know how AMD can use the Black Edition label with a straight face.

AMD's use of TIM on lower-end CPU is not new as the Athlon II chips used TIM even though the Phenom II chips were soldered.

Heck I personally have delidded and done direct-die cooling with the stock heatsink on even an old Athlon 64 x2 (65nm variants were not soldered), though the stock heatsink in the AM2 days used a clamp and therefore I needed to add a shim in order for it to make contact with the die.

 

Is this based on Pinnacle Ridge or Summit Ridge?

 

It's Raven Ridge

 

definitely worth the price, this literally satisfies most games running with less than max settings.

but its so close, if they double the IGP performance then they'd be able to close in 60fps @ 1080p max in most games.
the next generation APU is something everyone can look forward to.

 

Nice MSRP, but thanks to gpu shortage, that price is going to go up, at least $130 imo.