[TorrentFreak] 60FPS Films & Tv Shows - Pirates Debut Super-Smooth Video Torrents

hrockh · May 1, 2013

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In TV and cinema there are three broad standards - 24p, 25p, and 30p - producing 24, 25 and 30 FPS respectively, but last year there was a step up when Peter Jackson's Hobbit was shot in 48FPS.

However, for quite a while now video has been turning up on BitTorrent networks marked as 60FPS, so are these coming from official sources or is there some other explanation?

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So, we had a trawl around the BitTorrent scene looking for 60FPS torrents to see what we could find. Movies do indeed seem rare to non-existent, but the same cannot be said about TV shows. TorrentFreak found dozens of releases, mainly for sporting events (combat sports, NBA, NHL) that boast this superior frame rate.

One Pirate Bay focused releaser, known as Secludedly, is dedicated to releasing UFC/MMA, boxing events and other TV shows. He has dozens to his name and many of them are uploaded at 60FPS. Starting to feel a little out of our depth with some of the technical wizardry involved, TorrentFreak caught up with Secludedly for the lowdown on his sources and processes.

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"Change it to 60fps and your eye basically has double the visual capacity to capture that motion being performed as the punch is thrown, and it comes to look more realistic because you're getting every bit of movement in the original capture of the video, making it seem more life-like."

Please do not post links to torrent websites and/or whether you will download it or not.
Let's keep the discussion to whether 60+fps is better than 24fps. thanks

This is very interesting. The article mentioned that Avatar is available, and a quick research proved it right.
I went to see the hobbit to a IMAX 3D to make sure I'd see it in 48fps. Good film, though it still was a blurry feast, 48fps is not enough.

I read an article about highfps vs lowfps in film and the writer brought up a very good point. As it makes the film "fell" different, it will be down to the director to use one or the other to give the film a particular atmosphere.

Source

EDIT: forgot to add the source

succesfulvoid · May 1, 2013

Article link?

Lombax · May 1, 2013

Theres something about 24p....it just seems natural. But I agree for sports and action movies it can be a benefit.

The majority of torrents aim for lower file sizes, squeezing DVD onto CD, and Blu-Ray onto DVD. Going up to 60fps makes the file twice as large!

cdoublejj · May 1, 2013

I've never seen true 60fps. I have seen the fake 60fps that looks like it's in fast forward. My uncle has one of the newer TVs and when we watch older movies some scenes look fast forwarded, I was told it's the TV station adding extra frames or something like that.

Eagle1337 · May 1, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

I've never seen true 60fps. I have seen the fake 60fps that looks like it's in fast forward. My uncle has one of the newer TVs and when we watch older movies some scenes look fast forwarded, I was told it's the TV station adding extra frames or something like that.

Man 60 fps video confuses me.. honestly. Fast, slow, fast,slow,fast,slow.

zinfinion · May 1, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

I've never seen true 60fps. I have seen the fake 60fps that looks like it's in fast forward. My uncle has one of the newer TVs and when we watch older movies some scenes look fast forwarded, I was told it's the TV station adding extra frames or something like that.

It's an interpolated frame calculated by the TV. Presuming 60Hz, and 30fps content for simplicity, rather than show A A B B C C etc it shows A AB* B BC* C CD* etc with starred frames being interpolated between the two frames.

It's actually way more complex than that, but I'm not about to do a seminar on it.

As far as whether 24, 25, 30, or 48+ is better, as long as I have a precise refresh multiple of the framerate and can avoid pulldown, I don't care.

Bit_reaper · May 1, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

I've never seen true 60fps. I have seen the fake 60fps that looks like it's in fast forward. My uncle has one of the newer TVs and when we watch older movies some scenes look fast forwarded, I was told it's the TV station adding extra frames or something like that.

Take a look at this (donwload) http://hfrmovies.com/avatar_60.mkv its a 1 min clip of avatar running at true 60FPS and it looks gorgeous.

IMO for most movies the old 24p is better suited but if done right with high enough production values it can work and enhance the move experience. IMO its much less a gimmick then 3D.

Outcasst · May 1, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper

Take a look at this (donwload) http://hfrmovies.com/avatar_60.mkv its a 1 min clip of avatar running at true 60FPS and it looks gorgeous.

IMO for most movies the old 24p is better suited but if done right with high enough production values it can work and enhance the move experience. IMO its much less a gimmick then 3D.

That's not true 60FPS. You can clearly see the interpolation.

Also, Avatar wasn't filmed at 60fps.

Bit_reaper · May 1, 2013

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Originally Posted by Outcasst

That's not true 60FPS. You can clearly see the interpolation.

Also, Avatar wasn't filmed at 60fps.

My mistake. Didn't read the description carefully enough.

Nenkitsune · May 1, 2013

Some broadcasts are done in 60FPS, I noticed this when I had my LG tv with whatever interpolation software it has. Some things like sporting events and some TV shows don't do anything when you try to use the "120hz" mode that the TV has, as all 60 frames are already filled by the source. And they do indeed look very nice.

Crazy9000 · May 1, 2013

As far as I know, no major movies were filmed in 60fps. The next avatar might be though. In order for 60fps to look really good, I think you need a true 60fps source.

antonio8 · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper

Take a look at this (donwload) http://hfrmovies.com/avatar_60.mkv its a 1 min clip of avatar running at true 60FPS and it looks gorgeous.

IMO for most movies the old 24p is better suited but if done right with high enough production values it can work and enhance the move experience. IMO its much less a gimmick then 3D.

60fps or not that looks amazing on the computer. I wish all of them look this clear and good.

Is this scene from a bluray or another special edition of Avatar?

cdoublejj · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by zinfinion

It's an interpolated frame calculated by the TV. Presuming 60Hz, and 30fps content for simplicity, rather than show A A B B C C etc it shows A AB* B BC* C CD* etc with starred frames being interpolated between the two frames.

It's actually way more complex than that, but I'm not about to do a seminar on it.

As far as whether 24, 25, 30, or 48+ is better, as long as I have a precise refresh multiple of the framerate and can avoid pulldown, I don't care.

I knew something funny was up. I wish there was a way to trun it off. Maybe there is some where on OCN i can make post for that?
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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper

Take a look at this (donwload) http://hfrmovies.com/avatar_60.mkv its a 1 min clip of avatar running at true 60FPS and it looks gorgeous.

IMO for most movies the old 24p is better suited but if done right with high enough production values it can work and enhance the move experience. IMO its much less a gimmick then 3D.

Will do, I would love to see 60fps that doesn't melt my eyes ans brain.

EDIT: It feels/looks a bit fast forwardy.

zinfinion · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

I wish there was a way to trun it off. Maybe there is some where on OCN i can make post for that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation#Names_of_motion_enhancement_technologies

It will be named one of these and be buried a few submenus deep on your TV. AFAIK all TVs permit turning it off, so you should be good once you find it.

cdoublejj · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

EDIT: It feels/looks a bit fast forwardy.

Ultimately it is fast forward. You are fitting more frames and or movement per second in to the frame vs 24.5 fps. IN order to make it no fast forward you would need slower movement and or frames that are VERY nearly identical to frames that are identical, based on the that is is. ie slow movement would have a lot of identical frames, where as fast movement would be true 60 fps.

tompsonn · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

Ultimately it is fast forward. You are fitting more frames and or movement per second in to the frame vs 24.5 fps. IN order to make it no fast forward you would need slower movement and or frames that are VERY nearly identical to frames that are identical, based on the that is is. ie slow movement would have a lot of identical frames, where as fast movement would be true 60 fps.

You just replied to yourself? Lol

cdoublejj · May 2, 2013

Of course!

Just teaching my self something new.

tompsonn · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by cdoublejj

Of course!

Just teaching my self something new.

starships · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by Lombax

Theres something about 24p....it just seems natural. But I agree for sports and action movies it can be a benefit.

The majority of torrents aim for lower file sizes, squeezing DVD onto CD, and Blu-Ray onto DVD. Going up to 60fps makes the file twice as large!

I feel the same about it seeming more natural. but I think this is the case because we've been watching that kind of content our entire lives.

un-midas touch · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper

Take a look at this (donwload) http://hfrmovies.com/avatar_60.mkv its a 1 min clip of avatar running at true 60FPS and it looks gorgeous.

IMO for most movies the old 24p is better suited but if done right with high enough production values it can work and enhance the move experience. IMO its much less a gimmick then 3D.

Can anyone explain why this link comes up in code form?

tompsonn · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by un-midas touch

Can anyone explain why this link comes up in code form?

Your browser is displaying the binary contents of the file. Web server might not be serving the file as application/octet-stream. In any case, Save target/link as will fix 'er up.

deepor · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by starships

I feel the same about it seeming more natural. but I think this is the case because we've been watching that kind of content our entire lives.

Film simply works very well for human eyes the way the camera records something on film. The camera starts exposing a frame of the film and captures all movements while that's going on. The aperture is only closed while the film is pulled to the next frame, otherwise it's mostly open and capturing light. That means it captures a lot more data for the brain to work with than what you might think of when hearing "24 fps". 24 fps in computer graphics are very different. 60p film would still be neat for action scenes. Camera men probably limit themselves to not make 24p look confusing, perhaps not throwing around the camera as much as they'd be able to do with 60p.

calavera · May 2, 2013

DICE has been releasing 60fps trailers on their battlelog premium section. And you can definitely tell a difference between that vs. youtube with trailer. I think CG heavy movies would benefit from 60fps but the more "serious" and traditional can keep 24fps. It's really just another option, 60fps won't take over 24fps. There was a documentary or movie about that with famous directors commenting on it and it was pretty interesting. Can't remember what it was though lol

firagabird · May 2, 2013

I'm of the firm belief that 60FPS is the future for all forms of cinema. The only question is how far into the future.

Chris13002 · May 2, 2013

Here are videos I made with fraps that are true 60FPS... Crysis 3
Don't even have to torrent...

Download the file, and do not watch in embedded player and you will see the difference...
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_EOuDeOnDcoV3FfT2hDZzlFcGc/edit?usp=sharing

60 FPS really shines in sports and UFC fights... It is a lot of bandwidth but worth it!

Crazy9000 · May 2, 2013

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Originally Posted by Chris13002

Here are videos I made with fraps that are true 60FPS... Crysis 3
Don't even have to torrent...

Download the file, and do not watch in embedded player and you will see the difference...
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_EOuDeOnDcoV3FfT2hDZzlFcGc/edit?usp=sharing

60 FPS really shines in sports and UFC fights... It is a lot of bandwidth but worth it!

I think we all know what video games look like in 60fps

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