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Watercool HEATKILLER IV PRO -- new king of the hill? [edited with first review info]

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Edited with new info.

Hardwaremax reviewed the Heatkiller IV Pro. Will have to wait for more detailed breakdowns from guys like stren but very nice results:




Test system is a 5960x at 1.3v on a Rampage V Extreme. http://www.hardwaremax.net/wasserkuehlung/wasser-kuehler/1085-test-watercool-heatkiller-iv.html

Comments from the review, auto translated:

Build:
Processing is at our test subjects in the copper, nickel and acetal version at an exceptional level. The cooler act as a unified whole and give absolutely no reason for criticism. Also, the haptic feedback of the cooler is unique. Like a precious stone embeds the nickel version in our hands. No sharp edges, no faulty nickel, to ensure no poorly cleaned or polished bodies tarnish the image. No matter where you throw his eye, it is only of absolute perfection.

Design:
Under the hood, it goes positive. Here, too, worked exceptionally clean. A nozzle plate in the conventional sense Watercool has however omitted. A similar construction is located now fix a pedestal in the lid of the cooler. Also striking is the increase in the base of the cooler. This increase is 0,075 mm and ensures better downforce. Also noteworthy are two small seals that ensure a targeted way to transport the water in the reservoir.

On flow:
Also our assumptions reflect the flow measurements. The acetal Basic version is due to the smaller number of sipes with about 223 liters of flow per hour the first place. The Pro versions still have enough flow to play with up to approximately 213 liters per hour. Basically, the result is better than expected, as the fin density of the two bottom panels has failed high.

On heat dissipation:
Here again confirm our suspicions. The slightly more cooling fins provides a minimally better result the Pro version. The nickel version manages nearly in the first place, closely followed by Phobya UC1 Extreme and the HEATKILLER® IV in the copper version. But the acetal Basic version is reflected in the upper third and precipitated by a good performance. The differences would appear minimal at first sight, in comparison with the XSPC Raystorm, EKWB Supremacy Evo or the Koolance CPU-380 but the differences are somewhat larger.


As the review says, as with anything Watercool quite frankly, it's heavy as hell and flawless in appearance and feel.




Only 4 screws:



Close up look at inlet



There is no jet plate in HK IV. Hardwaremax shows pix of the innards so I don't have to bother taking this apart. The IV Pro has 78 fins:

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The basic version has 49 fins:

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Technical data:



I ordered the 115x backplate also and the design is changed from HK 3.0 version which looked like this



to a very plain looking this



They widened the spacing between the ports from the HK 3.0 so it should be able to take bigger fittings more easily now.



Mounting is "error-free" -- there is a stop on the post so you just screw down the spring until you hit that stop. No messing with calipers like in HK 3.0. Mounting pressure is 220 newtons. Watercool says orientation makes no difference.





This is the all copper version obviously, also comes in nickel plated, anthracite nickel, acrylic, and acetal



There is also a Heatkiller IV Basic which is cheaper and promises roughly HK 3.0 performance. Comes in acrylic and acetal



Not to be racist but I love German products. There's a characteristic quality there that I just adore. Had to order this directly from Watercool since Aquatuning is the only place that even lists it and they're a few weeks away from being in stock. Backplate was 6.68 euros, block was 67.18 euros. Oddly they charged me less than the price they list on their shop which is 79.94 euros.
 
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I was looking at them the other day and considering on ordering one as soon as they available in particular this one:
Now I have the EK-Supremacy EVO - Full Nickel (Original CSQ) on Rampage IV Black and 4960X and to be honest I can't stand the circles on that CPU Block I never like the EK signature I thought I would get used to it ....so I will change.
Can you position the Hetakiller in any direction, specifically I would like to mount so the ports are sideways I would think you can, but visually the block seem long and since this would be my first Heatkiller I thought I better ask.
Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by NewUser16 View Post

I was looking at them the other day and considering on ordering one as soon as they available in particular this one:
Now I have the EK-Supremacy EVO - Full Nickel (Original CSQ) on Rampage IV Black and 4960X and to be honest I can't stand the circles on that CPU Block I never like the EK signature I thought I would get used to it ....so I will change.
Can you position the Hetakiller in any direction, specifically I would like to mount so the ports are sideways I would think you can, but visually the block seem long and since this would be my first Heatkiller I thought I better ask.
Thanks
The installation guide says orientation doesn't matter. Also I don't think this block has a jet plate.
 
#6 ·
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Originally Posted by NewUser16 View Post

I think I know what yea mean can you collaborate further
Does that make any difference, sorry
Thanks for your quick reply
Jet plates are these things-

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-they guide the coolant coming in/out of the ports over the micro channels or pins to maximize heat dissipation. Every cpu block I know of has one, and some of the EK blocks come with several jet plates and you can pick the one that best fits your cpu



Heatkiller 3.0 has a jet plate



But I don't think the Heatkiller IV does. That's why I showed the close up pic of the inlet port, you can't see a jet plate. This thing is so new there's no info at all on these, all I've found is a brief blurb on the Watercool forums in German. They're shipping now so we should know more in the days ahead as guys like stren and martinm get their review units.
 
#7 ·
Ok, I see what you mean. Yes jet plates usually comes pre-installed, if block is universal, than you can change depending on your socket.
Well, if this one doesn't have it I guess that's good thing!
For me I was more concern about the block positioning I think there are still some out there you can only mount 1 way, than you are limited, most of them this days you can position the orientation of ports anyway you like, but because I've never owned Heatkiller I was wondering....good.
Thank you for your help
 
#8 ·
The mounting system looks so 2000s-ish...
 
#9 ·
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Originally Posted by cloppy007 View Post

The mounting system looks so 2000s-ish...
Not sure what you mean, unless you're using lga 2011 that's the most convenient mounting system out there, Koolance 380i is the only method that's superior due to the longer posts

It's worlds better than something like Raystorm which for 115x at least is just silly.

Interestingly the Heatkiller IV Pro, while it looks just like the Heatkiller 3.0 mounting system, does not mention mounting pressure in the instructions. For the HK 3.0 you were instructed to use calipers to get the proper mount depending on cpu



Nothing like that for the IV Pro. Watercool did say they were coming up with an error-free mounting system for IV Pro that would be easier but this looks like the same system as 3.0.
 
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Nothing like that for the IV Pro. Watercool did say they were coming up with an error-free mounting system for IV Pro that would be easier but this looks like the same system as 3.0.
So you don't see Heatrkillers IV mounting posts having any safety stops to prevent from overt tightening, strange I think I've seen somewhere where the posts had like thicker part on them preventing block itself from going any further, maybe I'm delusional.
I had Koolance 380i and I liked the looks and performance of it but it didn't have any of the safety lock like say e.g. EK supremacy which I'm using now, It performs OK but than I don't like their signature circles, it looks hideous in my opinion I thought i could get used to it but no, so I want to change to Heatkiller but now you saying you not seen that safety feature on your block
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This is a quote from Rico at Heatkiller forum:
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The mounting of the cooler is now completely without tools. The revised mounting system simplifies the mounting of the cooler. The spring force will now be defined by means of the fastening elements. Tilting or incorrect tightening is no longer possible.
It doesn't specifically indicates "preventing from over tightening" kind of leading that way I'm not sure how to understand that
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#12 ·
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Originally Posted by NewUser16 View Post

So you don't see Heatrkillers IV mounting posts having any safety stops to prevent from overt tightening, strange I think I've seen somewhere where the posts had like thicker part on them preventing block itself from going any further, maybe I'm delusional.
I had Koolance 380i and I liked the looks and performance of it but it didn't have any of the safety lock like say e.g. EK supremacy which I'm using now, It performs OK but than I don't like their signature circles, it looks hideous in my opinion I thought i could get used to it but no, so I want to change to Heatkiller but now you saying you not seen that safety feature on your block
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This is a quote from Rico at Heatkiller forum:
It doesn't specifically indicates "preventing from over tightening" kind of leading that way I'm not sure how to understand that
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Well just eyeballing it (haven't even opened the bag of screws) I don't see any sort of stop to prevent overtightening. But they are saying "error-free"... dunno what that could mean if not prevention of overtightening.

I'm fine with a mounting pressure guide measured by distance of spring, but they don't give that this time around either.

So... dunno. Product is so new there is zero discussion out there. I'm going to email Christian and see if he can offer some info,.
 
#13 ·
Yes maybe Christian can shine some light on that, its a little confusing.
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Not to be racist but I love German products
I am born German raised in Poland and now live in Canada for almost 24 years.
I can tell you, Germans and I mean in the most respectful way, they make one of the highest quality products in the world, cars is just one example.
I just got 3 Heatkiller waterblocks for my 3 Titan Black with some backplates, they are as good as they can get, I love the quality, its simply unmatched...........Period.
 
#14 ·
Yes that is more or less common knowledge and has been for a long time…nothing "racist" about it though…even if you said you hated all german products.

This might be my next block too; was just looking at them on aquatuning.us last night...
 
#15 ·
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Originally Posted by wrigleyvillain View Post

Yes that is more or less common knowledge and has been for a long time…nothing "racist" about it though…even if you said you hated all german products.

This might be my next block too; was just looking at them on aquatuning.us last night...
I just got my first order from Aquatuning and I'm impressed by those guys. Prices were great, shipping was cheaper (even with customs) than P-PCs or Dazmode or Sidewinder. And get this -- box got here in 3 days. From Germany to California in 3 days even though I selected the cheapest ship option. I thought at first they must have a us shipping facility, but no, there is a customs label on it. Fantastic stuff.

Also, I screwed up my order and only realized it after payment processed, and a rep named Julia Fenske fixed it right up for me.

I like Aquatuning, I'll buy more from these guys, especially since they seem to stock all the German products for cheap and I love Watercool, my favorite block maker.

About German stuff, well I think it's a little bit racist to attribute superior quality to German manufacturing. Isn't it? Just because it's complimentary doesn't mean it's not prejudiced. It's really no different from saying "country X makes crap stuff." But, whether it's racist or not, I do have greater confidence in German manufactured goods. Same with Japanese stuff. Though I will say, Alphacool products are not up to the standards of Aquacomputer and Watercool. If you rub your chin stubble on an Alphacool rad the paint will scratch, which isn't a big deal because the paint finish was splotchy and uneven to begin with, and those things are FILTHY inside. That's what I mean by prejudiced, if you buy Alphacool expecting top notch quality because it's German made, you will be disappointed.
 
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About German stuff, well I think it's a little bit racist to attribute superior quality to German manufacturing. Isn't it? Just because it's complimentary doesn't mean it's not prejudiced. It's really no different from saying "country X makes crap stuff." But, whether it's racist or not, I do have greater confidence in German manufactured goods. Same with Japanese stuff. Though I will say, Alphacool products are not up to the standards of Aquacomputer and Watercool. If you rub your chin stubble on an Alphacool rad the paint will scratch, which isn't a big deal because the paint finish was splotchy and uneven to begin with, and those things are FILTHY inside. That's what I mean by prejudiced, if you buy Alphacool expecting top notch quality because it's German made, you will be disappointed.
I guess my excitement took over my rational thinking
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I got 3 of each of this

and i have to say I was trying to find something that will catch my eye(imperfection) I couldn't,
Tomorrow I'm changing my EVGA Hydro Coppers to this babies.
This blocks look great, but they look even better up close in your hands
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Sorry for hijacking this thread.
 
#17 ·
Well German is not a race rather a nationality, for starters, but I think you are overreaching a little and it's nothing to be too concerned about. At any rate, agreed about Alphacool rads; some of us call them alphastool though we are accused of being "childish" in other threads. I keep buying them due to design and performance but damn…my latest brand new one has a solder ball or something rattling around inside.
 
#20 ·
Bought a black and nickel 3.0 three weeks ago because I couldn't wait. Now my sadness is bone-deep after learning that this block would have saved me almost 45 minutes of ninja-fingertip-twisting some huge fittings on my CPU block.

Gotta say though, nothing beats WaterCool Heatkillers for quality. If I have the choice they are the only block I'll be buying until I'm fed up with watercooling.
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by NewUser16 View Post

I guess my excitement took over my rational thinking
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I got 3 of each of this

and i have to say I was trying to find something that will catch my eye(imperfection) I couldn't,
Tomorrow I'm changing my EVGA Hydro Coppers to this babies.
This blocks look great, but they look even better up close in your hands
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Heh



and yeah, as with HK 3.0 and HK IV Pro, the look and feel of the Heatkiller GPU-X3 is so nice. My bro in law was in town this weekend and he couldn't believe how cheap it was for that amount and quality of copper. He also showed up in a brand new Panamera sigh. Another very very nice German product. It's the size of a sedan but it handles like a sportster.

Did you get the multi link? I happen to think the Heatkiller works better with tubing or some sort of vid connector but the multi links are so handy.

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Originally Posted by NewUser16 View Post

Apparently the blocks should be out early next week, so we can find out than about the performance and I'm curious about the meritorious
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mounting mechanism.
You can get the pure copper one now like I did, that's been out. I can understand waiting for nickel though they look so nice. My problem was, I have Monsoon free center compression fittings which have silver plated barbs, and some folks say you shouldn't mix silver and nickel plating. I researched the hell out of this issue and all the problems are with EK and Koolance silver plating, no one has ever had an issue with Aquacomputer or Watercool nickel (Watercool rep in fact told me point blank silver barbs and coils will not make their nickel plating flake, those guys have confidence in their products), but martinm, who knows about these things, argues for just not mixing the two to be on the safe side. So that sort of swung me. And then the fact that I didn't have to wait for nickel HK 4 decided it for me. Though I screwed up and forget to order some needed fittings so I can't even install this yet anyway as it turns out. I can't ever bring myself to pay for expedited shipping so I have to wait for whenever the final parts arrive.

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Originally Posted by Killa Cam View Post

I already own the hk 3.0, koolance 380i, and ek supremacy. And I'm still going to get this block. I'm waiting for the nickel to be released. Can't wait to throw this on my cpu.
Dang dude total overkill lol. Especially since all the blocks you have are already top performers. And the 380i imho has the best mounting design on the market. If and when you get HK IV Pro I hope you make a thread detailing your results, because I won't have a basis for comparison. I've tried Raystorm and 380i but not this system.

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Originally Posted by Ganf View Post

Bought a black and nickel 3.0 three weeks ago because I couldn't wait. Now my sadness is bone-deep after learning that this block would have saved me almost 45 minutes of ninja-fingertip-twisting some huge fittings on my CPU block.
Well -- performance wise you're not losing much and the HK 3.0 looks just as nice, just the fitting issue, yeah that's a bit limiting.
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Gotta say though, nothing beats WaterCool Heatkillers for quality. If I have the choice they are the only block I'll be buying until I'm fed up with watercooling.
I'm already there. These things are so nice I'm happy just to own them, don't even have to use them to feel good about them.
 
#22 ·
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Originally Posted by taem View Post

Not sure what you mean, unless you're using lga 2011 that's the most convenient mounting system out there, Koolance 380i is the only method that's superior due to the longer posts

It's worlds better than something like Raystorm which for 115x at least is just silly.
Swiftech blocks. Prescribed pressure, thumb screws with springs held by c-clamps. Easier than most heatsinks.
 
#23 ·
Beautiful. Been waiting for an update from my HK 3.0 Cu!
 
#24 ·
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Originally Posted by cloppy007 View Post

Swiftech blocks. Prescribed pressure, thumb screws with springs held by c-clamps. Easier than most heatsinks.
Easy to get proper mount pressure yes, overall ease of mounting, no. Swiftech uses the same system as Raystorm, where a backplate with screw holes is supposed to be stuck on to the back of the motherboard, and then the cpu block's posts and springs screws into the backplate's holes from the front of the motherboard,

I don't know what kind of adhesive Swiftech uses but with Raystorm those little pieces of tape are pointless, as soon as you flip the motherboard over the backplate falls off. Even if you pressed hard as hell and got the tape to adhere so it doesn't fall off by itself, you have to thread a screw into that backplate that's being held in place by a little piece of post-it.

It's not a good design. It's needlessly fiddly. It really calls for 3 arms to do it easily.

Same design, only with the backplate's screwholes coming through the motherboard a bit and securing down with nuts instead of pieces of tape, so the thing stays still while you screw the cpu block down, is ideal. That is what Heatkiller does. Koolance 380i takes it one step further with long posts so when you plop your block down, you are guided by those posts and don't even smear your paste even if you have shaky hands.

I'm not saying it's a huge deal, it's not hard to do, just annoying/ But the little pieces of tape approach of XSPC and Swiftech, did anyone QA that?
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by cloppy007 View Post

Swiftech blocks. Prescribed pressure, thumb screws with springs held by c-clamps. Easier than most heatsinks.
Just stuck a Heatkiller on a 2011 socket and I felt that that was pretty idiot-proof.

Well, until I flipped open the instructions and saw I was using the screws for the 115X socket, then I felt like an idiot.
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Swapped them out and then I was feeling pretty smug again. The springs that come with the mounting kit seem to be impossible to overtighten thanks to where the threads stop on the screws, so I give it an A+.
 
#26 ·
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Did you get the multi link? I happen to think the Heatkiller works better with tubing or some sort of vid connector but the multi links are so handy
Yes I got the multi-link for 3 way for the looks and hopefully easier installation, I really don know how will it perform but soon we will find out.
As you can see on that picture

the spacing between cards is very tight, I had to get the Swiftech 11-18" short fittings, nothing else would work but also because of fittings performance is good and flow restriction is minimum.
As a for the CPU block, no I don't want copper, it won't mach anything I really like the nickel one but first I need to find out about the mounting, whether there is change in the way you mount the block as far is the safety against over tightening. I already have the 380i and EK Supremacy EVO so if I get the Heatkiller which I would like to it would have to have that feature, I remember someone was talking about that, I just don't remember of hand.
You have the copper can you see/ test is there any indication of that been there.