Good guy AMD not ripping off enthusiasts. I'm so fed up with Intel and their lack of innovation over the years sitting fat, comfortable and greedy. I wish Ryzen was out at the time I built my PC so I didn't have to go with the 4790K. Next build will be AMD for sure...

Like for real, since Intel did start using crappy thermal paste between core and IHS, couldn't they have still used solder on the K series CPUs??? Would it add $2 to the manufacturing costs? They're already price gouging i7s at $350 (thankfully the price is dropped but they still can't compete with Ryzen lol)

 

Thanks for sharing. interesting video, but super dangerous using knife blades like that ! I would think you could find a similar sheet of thin metal that wont cut your finger off if you slip.

 

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Originally Posted by Dopamin3

Good guy AMD not ripping off enthusiasts. I'm so fed up with Intel and their lack of innovation over the years sitting fat, comfortable and greedy. I wish Ryzen was out at the time I built my PC so I didn't have to go with the 4790K. Next build will be AMD for sure...

Like for real, since Intel did start using crappy thermal paste between core and IHS, couldn't they have still used solder on the K series CPUs??? Would it add $2 to the manufacturing costs? They're already price gouging i7s at $350 (thankfully the price is dropped but they still can't compete with Ryzen lol)

http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

TLDR, the die on new K series and process size are too small, thus the heat from soldering can't be dissipated quick enough and can damage die / damage things over-time from thermal shock.

 

@ShrimpBrime you must be itching to try this

 

@der8auer

You monster! You already killed two Ryzen?!

Glad to see you putting out content and things are on the up. Although you had me a bit nervous with those bigger razors and your bare hands!

 

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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie

Glad to see you putting out content and things are on the up. Although you had me a bit nervous with those bigger razors and your bare hands!

At least I'm not the only one. I guess cutting away from myself is too ingrained in me but I had to skip forward a bit there.

 

Intel should have explained this if it was the case.

 

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Originally Posted by Lays

http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

TLDR, the die on new K series and process size are too small, thus the heat from soldering can't be dissipated quick enough and can damage die / damage things over-time from thermal shock.

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Originally Posted by dieanotherday

Intel should have explained this if it was the case.

That article is hardly conclusive. Figure 9 in it is highly distorted. Intel could use a more pliable glue than bends to accommodate the shrinkage. Intel could also use a thicker substrate to prevent too much warping.

For some reason AMD manages just fine... but I guess we won't know until the Ryzen 4 core chips drop since they're half the die size as Ryzen 7.

 

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Originally Posted by umeng2002

That article is hardly conclusive.

Well, there's also this scholarly article about it:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/40fe/11ccc30fcdac3d2c38cb65b42f112f040558.pdf

Ryzen 4 core chips may not be conclusive either, since the modules seem to be square instead of rectangular, which would change the dynamics of the thermal expansion.

 

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Originally Posted by Dopamin3

Good guy AMD not ripping off enthusiasts. I'm so fed up with Intel and their lack of innovation over the years sitting fat, comfortable and greedy. I wish Ryzen was out at the time I built my PC so I didn't have to go with the 4790K. Next build will be AMD for sure...

Like for real, since Intel did start using crappy thermal paste between core and IHS, couldn't they have still used solder on the K series CPUs??? Would it add $2 to the manufacturing costs? They're already price gouging i7s at $350 (thankfully the price is dropped but they still can't compete with Ryzen lol)

Intel now can't compete even if drop price of i7-6900K on 500$.
He could not sell i7-6900K for 500$ even to owners of X99 platform.
And for them is better to sell own and buy 1800X and Crosshair mobo.
Intel is dead and even with half of their prices only is not aware of that.
Our duty as enthusiasts is to help AMD to sell their processors because last few years we bought proceesors just because nice motherboards.
Now Apex, Formula, Code, Extreme, Strix go in shadow of AMD and they will not be any more looked as high end RIGs because Kaby Lake is slower even than Ryzen 5.
We must underline how much is better AMD than Intel best we can and explain to people that Ryzen 5 is not faster than i7-6800K only, Intel asked 250$ more for same CPU with 12 PCI-E lanes and 200MHz more. 200MHz more base clock is not enough to one processor is better, special if Ryzen 5 with 65W power consumption is faster than Intel i7 with 140W power consumption.
This is very hard to resist to stay with Intel and I only wait some chance or good offer to recognize in my country to replace platform.
I will keep some money on side just if show some good option, but only for 1800X, than I will easy to sell RVE and i7-5820K to cover memory and ROG motherboard with AM4 socket.
OK I will wait Skylake Xtreme, but I don't expect miracle and don;t expect to Intel 6 core beat 1800X.

 

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Originally Posted by Vlada011

Intel now can't compete even if drop price of i7-6900K on 500$.
He could not sell i7-6900K for 500$ even to owners of X99 platform.
And for them is better to sell own and buy 1800X and Crosshair mobo.
Intel is dead and even with half of their prices only is not aware of that.
Our duty as enthusiasts is to help AMD to sell their processors because last few years we bought proceesors just because nice motherboards.
Now Apex, Formula, Code, Extreme, Strix go in shadow of AMD and they will not be any more looked as high end RIGs because Kaby Lake is slower even than Ryzen 5.
We must underline how much is better AMD than Intel best we can and explain to people that Ryzen 5 is not faster than i7-6800K only, Intel asked 250$ more for same CPU with 12 PCI-E lanes and 200MHz more. 200MHz more base clock is not enough to one processor is better, special if Ryzen 5 with 65W power consumption is faster than Intel i7 with 140W power consumption.
This is very hard to resist to stay with Intel and I only wait some chance or good offer to recognize in my country to replace platform.
I will keep some money on side just if show some good option, but only for 1800X, than I will easy to sell RVE and i7-5820K to cover memory and ROG motherboard with AM4 socket.
OK I will wait Skylake Xtreme, but I don't expect miracle and don;t expect to Intel 6 core beat 1800X.

This is a load of garbage.

1. if the 6900k's wen tto 500$, there would be plenty sold. We also don't know if Ryzen will even actually keep up with Intel besides the AMD leaks.

2. Intel is FAR from dead.

3 its not my duty to support ANYONE.

 

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Originally Posted by MunneY

This is a load of garbage.

1. if the 6900k's wen tto 500$, there would be plenty sold. We also don't know if Ryzen will even actually keep up with Intel besides the AMD leaks.

2. Intel is FAR from dead.

3 its not my duty to support ANYONE.

1) Not really, can still get a 1700X for $400 ($100 less) with AM4 platform that has an upgrade path, 2011 is dead.

2) Debatable, i mean they have money, but people are leaving the company left and right and just aren't happy there. Doesn't matter how much money you have piled up, if important employees are leaving that aren't easily replaceable you won't have a pile of money for long.

3) True, but AMD is still the better buy unless you have money to blow and are looking to get a 10 core.

 

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Originally Posted by Lays

http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

TLDR, the die on new K series and process size are too small, thus the heat from soldering can't be dissipated quick enough and can damage die / damage things over-time from thermal shock.

Problem is that Intel's thermal paste is abysmal and usually isn't properly applied

 

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Originally Posted by Vlada011

Intel now can't compete even if drop price of i7-6900K on 500$.
He could not sell i7-6900K for 500$ even to owners of X99 platform.
And for them is better to sell own and buy 1800X and Crosshair mobo.
Intel is dead and even with half of their prices only is not aware of that.
Our duty as enthusiasts is to help AMD to sell their processors because last few years we bought proceesors just because nice motherboards.
Now Apex, Formula, Code, Extreme, Strix go in shadow of AMD and they will not be any more looked as high end RIGs because Kaby Lake is slower even than Ryzen 5.
We must underline how much is better AMD than Intel best we can and explain to people that Ryzen 5 is not faster than i7-6800K only, Intel asked 250$ more for same CPU with 12 PCI-E lanes and 200MHz more. 200MHz more base clock is not enough to one processor is better, special if Ryzen 5 with 65W power consumption is faster than Intel i7 with 140W power consumption.
This is very hard to resist to stay with Intel and I only wait some chance or good offer to recognize in my country to replace platform.
I will keep some money on side just if show some good option, but only for 1800X, than I will easy to sell RVE and i7-5820K to cover memory and ROG motherboard with AM4 socket.
OK I will wait Skylake Xtreme, but I don't expect miracle and don;t expect to Intel 6 core beat 1800X.

If you are building a new system, Ryzen is the way to go. But if you already own a z170 or z270 board, it may be worthwhile to wait for an AM4 board with more pcie lanes. X8 does not limit a Titan XP, but who knows about Volta and Vega?

 

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Originally Posted by MunneY

This is a load of garbage.

1. if the 6900k's wen tto 500$, there would be plenty sold. We also don't know if Ryzen will even actually keep up with Intel besides the AMD leaks.

2. Intel is FAR from dead.

3 its not my duty to support ANYONE.

1. 6900k isn't the best 8 core anymore, and 2011 platform soon will be replaced so I doubt that people want to buy it even at 500$

2. Things can turn swiftly, just like Nokia and Blackberry when the first iPhone was released

3. True mate, your money your right. Just be careful enough to avoid buyer's remorse.

 

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Originally Posted by 0451

If you are building a new system, Ryzen is the way to go. But if you already own a z170 or z270 board, it may be worthwhile to wait for an AM4 board with more pcie lanes. X8 does not limit a Titan XP, but who knows about Volta and Vega?

If they already have a z170/z270, they can upgrade to the 8700K (last 1151 cpu for them) and maybe DDR4-4000-4133-4266 if board is capable. The latter can add 12-15% in games and 22-28% in encoding

 

The guy says he will use the plastic cover to hold the CPU so as not to bend the pins and does so with the razor blades, but then he proceeds to hold the pins bare hand when using the thicker blades. I can't imagine how he escaped with no bent pins.

Edit;

He bent the pins.

 

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Originally Posted by Gunderman456

The guy says he will use the plastic cover to hold the CPU so as not to bend the pins and does so with the razor blades, but then he proceeds to hold the pins bare hand when using the thicker blades. I can't imagine how he escaped with no bent pins.

Edit;

He bent the pins.

Bending pins is easily fixed if they are on the CPU. Just use a razor, creditcard, or other thin and rigid device to bend them back.

 

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Originally Posted by KarathKasun

Bending pins is easily fixed if they are on the CPU. Just use a razor, creditcard, or other thin and rigid device to bend them back.

Easy fix for some and a bad day in an attempt to fix for others.

I would have liked to see how he intended to then remove the rest of the solder off the die.

 

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Originally Posted by Gunderman456

Easy fix for some and a bad day in an attempt to fix for others.

I would have liked to see how he intended to then remove the rest of the solder off the die.

Compared to LGA damage, its a super easy fix.

You can probably just sand it smooth since the layer covers the whole chip.

 

I always used a mechanical pencil to fix bent pins. It's the easiest fix and I'm glad they stuck with it. I HATE LGA.

 

Maybe this will let me build a new system in the near future based on thanks, AMD is rising

 

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Originally Posted by czin125

If they already have a z170/z270, they can upgrade to the 8700K (last 1151 cpu for them) and maybe DDR4-4000-4133-4266 if board is capable. The latter can add 12-15% in games and 22-28% in encoding

Yeah, I heard about that. My ram is rated at 3733 17-19-19. I am running at 3400 15-15-15. I wonder if slowing down timings and increasing frequency would help; or if gaming performance is a combined function of speed and timing.

Meaning: for the 4000mhz ram benchmark, did they use the same timings at 3000mhz?

 

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Originally Posted by czin125

If they already have a z170/z270, they can upgrade to the 8700K (last 1151 cpu for them) and maybe DDR4-4000-4133-4266 if board is capable. The latter can add 12-15% in games and 22-28% in encoding

I sincerely doubt we will get another CPU on the same socket. That's not what Intel does.
Not to mention those RAM perf increase numbers sound a bit off. Got any source for that?

 

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Originally Posted by rt123

I sincerely doubt we will get another CPU on the same socket. That's not what Intel does.
Not to mention those RAM perf increase numbers sound a bit off. Got any source for that?

Except, and please correct me I'm wrong here, I don't have the patience to look up the history of every socket, but it seems to me like every socket change so far is also accompanied by some extra goodies added to the platform. Such as USB 2.0/3.0/C, PCIe 2.0/3.0, M.2, extra PCIe lanes (+4 for Z270. Granted that's a chipset change, not socket), DDR/DDR2/DDR3/DDR4, Optane, IDE/SATA I-III, and whatever else I'm forgetting. With socket changes it seems like there's always something that gets added along with it. What exactly would Intel have to add at this point? PCIe 4.0 I guess, but have the specs for that even been finalized?

I mean I'm not saying they won't, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they made another socket just because, but all I'm saying is I see 0 reasons why they would right now either. Not to mention they did 3 releases on 1150 (Haswell, Devils Canyon, Broadwell), so why not on 1151 as well? So far we have Skylake and Kaby Lake (KL is to SL what DC was to Haswell, they just decided to call KL a new generation for whatever reason instead calling it was it was: a refresh), it's very possible Coffee Lake will release on 1151 as well.