[denis.n.maximov]

Ichirou
VST is my first test in cruncher.
Regarding enough level of voltage - no, because with LLC3 CPU is supplied with the same Volts - 1.25 VR-Out while loaded.
The problem is the opposite - voltage is not decreasing fast enough, and the CPU gets overvoltage - more than 1.3 at the moment the load starts. With LLC7 voltage must decrease from about 1.38 V to 1,25. And VRM can't do that as fast as the load increases or sets.
But yeah, you are partly right - prime95 needs more voltage as even VST. 1-2 steps at least. But now I can't give it to CPU, only after delidding. Next week I get my Iceman 13x delid tool. My water blocks for VRM already here with me, so, next level at hand)
I decided to make 2 threaded holes to fix WB on rad. In fact, I don't really care of selling the Mobo. Even so, I'll just make alu cover plate with my own design to fix with screws)

 

[headpiece747]

Guys. I am changing my DDR4 Z690 to DDR5 Z790 as I cannot stabilize my 4x8gb 4400 B-die even with 3600cl15 and I had enough of it.
I ordered MSI Z790 Tomahawk and ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-H GAMING. MSI being cheaper I would prefer to go for it directly as swapping mobos to check whats better is a pain in the neck
MSI says offically in the spec that support up to 7200Mhz and ASUS 7800MHz.
I also bought G.Skill Z5 7800C36 (F5-7800J3646H16GX2-TZ5RK).

Based on your extensive testing would you say this ASUS board will have an advantage in RAM tuning and reaching 7800?

Some people can't even get 7200 on MSI boards and I am one of them on the MSI Z790 Carbon can only do 6800. I haven't looked into that Asus board but there are way more Asus users here and other forums that could probably help out better.

 

[headpiece747]

Hopped on the 161 beta bios and no surprise still no 7200 and tried a lot of other settings and ideas from here and google. So went back to my old settings and everything was fine until for the first time I ran VST. Crashed in less then a minute. My previous 6800 tight timings past y-cruncher 2.5b, tm5 absolut, linpack, occt, cinebench and gaming but VST was the eye opener.

Found the problem is if I set TWR to anything other than Auto I would crash VST. So now I think I have cracked the code on the board and can't wait for the next intel cpu and mobo so I can ditch this board and wait for reviews and users and get something that can do over 7200. I'll keep testing new bioses but think it is a mixture of my cpu, mobo and ram that is holding me back from going over 6800.

 

[owlsvn]

Can you return the board with some percentage loss of money from the original price, you can just do it and get the Apex, my friend just did the same and 8200 is easy.

 

[headpiece747]

Can you return the board with some percentage loss of money from the original price, you can just do it and get the Apex, my friend just did the same and 8200 is easy.

I bought this in November so that's not possible. Not blaming anyone but myself usually I will do research and buy i9 and Asus board but convinced that after years of only gaming and nothing else I could get by with i7 and cheaper mobo. Will just put this in my kids pc and upgrade.

 

[owlsvn]

that experience speaks true to me as well, haven’t bought new PC since mostly work with Max, now Windows is getting better, i bought the Gigabyte trap once again and returned with some loss to get the MSI, solid since then.

 

[sblantipodi]

Hi guys, I'm switching my Asus Z690 Extreme crap for a Z790 Godlike.

I have enough of the Asus mediocrity.

Do you think that Godlike is a good mobo?

I never had an MSI mobo and it will be strange for me to switch from the ROG BIOS to the MSI one.

Does MSI mobo let you set the VF curve of the CPU like the Asus one?
Does MSI tell you a score to tell how good is the CPU like the Asus one?

Is there something where Asus is better than MSI that will make me regret of the switch from Asus to MSI?

 

[denis.n.maximov]

I am one of them on the MSI Z790 Carbon can only do 6800

Have you tried pushing Dimm voltages?
For me it's enough headroom there. Push to 1.47-1.5.
Ram is watercolled? Is it a or m-die?

 

[inedenimadam]

care to share your timings and voltage for 8000C34? I just got the itx board and I am having trouble dialing it in, wouldn't mind a starting point.

 

[headpiece747]

Have you tried pushing Dimm voltages?
For me it's enough headroom there. Push to 1.47-1.5.
Ram is watercolled? Is it a or m-die?

I think I have tried every suggestion on the internet trying to make it stable at 7200 haha.
I have pushed up to 1.57 because I saw someone say it made their system stable, ODT, PLL, disable or enable setting one by one that's how I discovered the TWR issue and too many other things to list.
Ram has a 140mm fan and A-Die.
I check the DDR5 thread and google DDR5 overclock almost everyday to see if there is some other thing someone has found or tried on MSI or any other mobo.

I will be better informed next time I buy cpu, ram and mobo so I don't go through this again.

 

[pukemon]

don't know if this helps anybody. it's the descriptions you see on the right in bios in pdf format. also jayztwocents fired asus. lol.

 

[owlsvn]

Hi guys, I'm switching my Asus Z690 Extreme crap for a Z790 Godlike.

I have enough of the Asus mediocrity.

Do you think that Godlike is a good mobo?

I never had an MSI mobo and it will be strange for me to switch from the ROG BIOS to the MSI one.

Does MSI mobo let you set the VF curve of the CPU like the Asus one?
Does MSI tell you a score to tell how good is the CPU like the Asus one?

Is there something where Asus is better than MSI that will make me regret of the switch from Asus to MSI?

this generation, Asus Z790 Apex is the top with no competition if you want the best CPU + RAM overclock.

 

[sblantipodi]

what about this?

Leak of MSI UEFI signing keys stokes fears of “doomsday” supply chain attack

With no easy way to revoke compromised keys, MSI, and its customers, are in a real pickle.

arstechnica.com

does this problems affect all the MSI boards?

 

[owlsvn]

@headpiece747 i just saw one guy going with 7200 Tforce on Carbon motherboard and it works flawlessly just with XMP

 

[Digitalwolf]

@headpiece747 i just saw one guy going with 7200 Tforce on Carbon motherboard and it works flawlessly just with XMP

My gaming rig has a Z790 Carbon and G.Skill 7200 kit that worked out of the box with XMP. So I guess I thought it was normal. Also in regards to other commentary in the thread.. I'm just running a 13600K on this. Bought all the parts I used on the gaming build end of December from Amazon for reference.

 

[headpiece747]

@headpiece747 i just saw one guy going with 7200 Tforce on Carbon motherboard and it works flawlessly just with XMP

My gaming rig has a Z790 Carbon and G.Skill 7200 kit that worked out of the box with XMP. So I guess I thought it was normal. Also in regards to other commentary in the thread.. I'm just running a 13600K on this. Bought all the parts I used on the gaming build end of December from Amazon for reference.

Would love to see a VST run on those, bios settings and timings. I can run 7200 just for games but can't pass any memory tests.

I think I just got a bad cpu, mobo or ram or all three.

 

[massivex]

Should it really matter if I pair Raptor Lake and a bdie 2x16 3600c14 kit with good ol' z690-a or should I go for z790-a or edge this time?

On my brother's 12700k + z690-a + 4000c16, I got 3900c14 on 1N. The only limitation there was the CPU's IMC, not the motherboard. I was very impressed with the board.

This time around I'm building my own rig, going for 13600/700 (haven't decided), and a 3600c14 kit. I can get the z690-a for just $190 after taxes. Any other Z790 mobo is gonna be easily over $300.
If the difference in max overclock is like 100MT/s then I'll just go with Z690.

 

[Ichirou]

Should it really matter if I pair Raptor Lake and a bdie 2x16 3600c14 kit with good ol' z690-a or should I go for z790-a or edge this time?

On my brother's 12700k + z690-a + 4000c16, I got 3900c14 on 1N. The only limitation there was the CPU's IMC, not the motherboard. I was very impressed with the board.

This time around I'm building my own rig, going for 13600/700 (haven't decided), and a 3600c14 kit. I can get the z690-a for just $190 after taxes. Any other Z790 mobo is gonna be easily over $300.
If the difference in max overclock is like 100MT/s then I'll just go with Z690.

Z790 is better than Z690 by +100 MHz, pretty much. And even then it's a stretch based on IMC and other instability possibilities.
The Z690 Edge DDR4 is an amazing board, and I'd recommend it wholeheartedly.

 

[massivex]

Z790 is better than Z690 by +100 MHz, pretty much. And even then it's a stretch based on IMC and other instability possibilities.
The Z690 Edge DDR4 is an amazing board, and I'd recommend it wholeheartedly.

Appreciate the prompt reply. My heart is quite set on the Edge in general, be it Z690 or Z790. And the addition of reset cmos button on the back of the Z790 Tomahawk\Edge is awesome. The Z790 Edge D4, cheapest I can source it is $446 (after VAT), yep pretty expensive. I also just noticed that I can get refurbished Z690 Tomahawk and Edge from Newegg for not that expensive.

I actually have another alternative and would appreciate your input. There's someone nearby selling the Edge Z790 DDR5 that he bought by accident (he thought it was DDR4). He agreed to sell for $270. Now that Hynix A-Die can be bought for relatively cheap, would you recommend pairing the Edge D5 with some A-Die? Albeit I assume I probably won't achieve over 6800~7200MT/s.

Also another thing that I was wondering since I've been out of the loop with the new Z790 DDR4 boards. On Z790 are Gigabyte\Asrock mobos still better to steer away from for those "serious" about their memory overclocking?

 

[pukemon]

z690 d4 is a good option and even better for the price.

that z790 is also a great price. you can buy some A die 6400 and you should be able to get 7200 easily without too much fuss unless you lose the cpu lottery bad. I achieved 7600 pretty easy and still have not gotten around to seriously trying 8000. your expectations are very realistic though so anything over would be bonus.

and yes, I believe the asus apex is the goto mobo for super serious ram OC'ers but it's pricey. very pricey. most people have had good results with msi though and by that I mean realistic expectations. I've come across people crapping on boards because they can't do 8000 when it was probably their cpu as the limiting factor. again, 7200 should be the realistic expectation and anything beyond that within reasonable voltages is pretty awesome.