[GS] Microsoft on PS4 Pro: "4.2 Teraflops Is Not Enough to Do True 4K"

frickfrock999 · Sep 21, 2016

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-exec-on-ps4-pro-42-teraflops-is-not-enou/1100-6443775/
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"I think there are a lot of caveats they're giving customers right now around 4K," he said. "They're talking about checkerboard rendering and up-scaling and things like that. There are just a lot of asterisks in their marketing around 4K, which is interesting because when we thought about what spec we wanted for Scorpio, we were very clear we wanted developers to take their Xbox One engines and render them in native, true 4K. That was why we picked the number, that's why we have the memory bandwidth we have, that's why we have the teraflops we have, because it's what we heard from game developers was required to achieve native 4K."

That's the sad truth nobody wants to face.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for most AAA games to run 60 FPS @ 4K on the PS4 Pro.

Absolutely impossible.

The PS4 Pro 4K is SNAKE OIL. Nothing else and don't be fooled.

andrews2547 · Sep 21, 2016

The Xbone Scorpio might be the first console I buy in a while depending on the price of it.

iTurn · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by frickfrock999

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-exec-on-ps4-pro-42-teraflops-is-not-enou/1100-6443775/
That's the sad truth nobody wants to face.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for most AAA games to run 60 FPS @ 4K on the PS4 Pro.

Absolutely impossible.

The PS4 Pro 4K is SNAKE OIL. Nothing else and don't be fooled.

We think 6TF will get the job done? Honest question.

mcg75 · Sep 21, 2016

I'm very doubtful the Scorpio will be running 60 fps per second at 4K either.

If it does, sign me up and I will sell all my high end PC gear.

Considering the PS4 only does 60fps at 1080p in rare instances, I won't be holding my breath waiting.

frickfrock999 · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by iTurn

We think 6TF will get the job done? Honest question.

If you're expecting the Scorpio ever run 4K 60 FPS for all games, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

There's people with 1080 rigs that still can't run every game at 4K/60.

ZealotKi11er · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by frickfrock999

If you're expecting the Scorpio ever run 4K 60 FPS for every game, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

There's people with 1080 rigs that still can't run every game at 4K/60.

Console optimization.

Nightbird · Sep 21, 2016

Every article I've read said PS4K Pro does 4K at 30FPS?

frickfrock999 · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er

Console optimization.

The Xbox One can only do 1080/60 for a handful of games and it's been out for almost 3 years.

Optimization can only help so much if the hardware isn't up to snuff.

Although, the next iteration of the Xbox will probably do 4K/60 without an issue.

andrews2547 · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by Nightbird

Every article I've read said PS4K Pro does 4K at 30FPS?

4K upscaled. Mostly 1080p/1440p.

ToTheSun! · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by andrews2547

The Xbone Scorpio might be the first console I buy in a while depending on the price of it.

A person in the know told me 4K30 will be trivial for the Scorpio.

Nightbird · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by andrews2547

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Originally Posted by Nightbird

Every article I've read said PS4K Pro does 4K at 30FPS?

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4K upscaled. Mostly 1080p/1440p.

First post was claiming that PS4K can't do 60FPS @ 4k, which isn't surprising since it's not advertised to.

ILoveHighDPI · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by frickfrock999

It's IMPOSSIBLE for most AAA games to run 60 FPS @ 4K on the PS4 Pro.

Absolutely impossible.

The PS4 Pro 4K is SNAKE OIL. Nothing else and don't be fooled.

Not impossible, they just need to turn other graphics settings down to low.
The games would all be perfectly playable, just everyone other than me would complain bitterly.

I'm not even going to argue that 4K upscaling is a bad thing though. First of all considering that most of these games will be running FXAA I have to wonder if there's really any point in consoles running native resolutions to begin with, practically everything on the market now is designed for dynamic resolution scaling during gameplay, and with the way current games are being designed you get a lot of FPS for dropping just 15% off your native resolution (I like to play DOOM at 85% of 4K to keep the framerate above 100fps more often).
Future games designed for 4K from the ground up should be much better able to hit 4K even with weaker hardware (like the PS4 Pro).

Daredevil 720 · Sep 21, 2016

Am I the only one who doesn't really care if it's native 4K or not? I mean, everyone with half a brain could tell it wasn't going to be a native 4K console from the start. Not possible at the price point / TDP consoles have.

I always just saw the Neo / Pro as a beefed up console which gives you two options:

1. Keep that 30/60 FPS target of the original PS4 steady, without frame drops.
2. Get some more detail (depending on the game engine) out of your console, either at 1080p or at a higher resolution (<=4K).

Considering the spec boost I consider this upgrade worth it for me personally. As a PC gamer I like having the best hardware available.

Whether or not Sony is trying to market it as a 4K console, I don't really care. The specs are true and I find them good. The end.

IMI4tth3w · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by frickfrock999

If you're expecting the Scorpio ever run 4K 60 FPS for all games, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

There's people with 1080 rigs that still can't run every game at 4K/60.

i think the comparison of 4k/60 on pc vs console is not quite adequate.

When a lot of people talk about pc gaming, they all want these "ultra" settings. And you'll be kidding yourself if you think consoles run these AAA on comparable pc "ultra" settings.

I think the new xbox console should be able to handle 4k/60 AAA gaming at respectable levels of graphics quality. Heck they could even look into having 1080p "high fps" mode and 4k/60 "UHD" mode. Although i HIGHLY doubt they would, this could help more tv manufacturers get on board and possibly get some more 4k/60hz + 1080p/TRUE 120+Hz panels.

A bit of wishful thinking here, but i think we can clearly say that scorpio will most likely be able to run games effectively in 4K, and more so much better than the PS4 4K console. But of course this won't be nearly what pc "ultra" settings see.

Inelastic · Sep 21, 2016

They aren't targeting 60fps, it will be 30. The Scorpio will probably be able to do that, but the PS4 Pro is definitely not for many games. Bioware has already said ME4 will be a custom resolution at 30fps. Zero Dawn Horizon, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Days Gone have all shown they're using upscaling. The Last of Us will be at 4k. I'm not sure what Battlefield 1 will be but I'm guessing they are targeting 60 fps, so probably 1080p resolution?

There's a podcast here that talks about it and one thing they mentioned is the tv you have will be a major factor in how it looks. They were more impressed with the HDR than with the higher resolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUb63Dc7-Bw

hokk · Sep 21, 2016

Such a weak cpu

no way it would be able to push such hardware to even render 4k at 30fps in the first place

Next gen lads we may get a 1440p/60 machine.

Skrillex · Sep 21, 2016

Somebody needs to tell Microsoft that TFLOPS don't = fps.

I believe the PS4 Pro will do some games at proper 4k/30fps, AAA games I imagine will have to use upscaling which isn't the terrible demon everybody makes it out to be.

Dynamic resolution scaling is a wonderful feature & people criticise developers for implementing it, when really they are just trying to please the gamer who says he wants 60fps.

SoloCamo · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by kylzer

Such a weak cpu

no way it would be able to push such hardware to even render 4k at 30fps in the first place

Next gen lads we may get a 1440p/60 machine.

Let's think here for a bit on what you just said. If a slower version of the same cpu can push games at 30fps and on some games even higher already at 1080p, how have you come to the conclusion that a higher clocked version of said cpu is not going to let a gpu do 4k30fps?

500mhz or in this case roughly 31% cpu clock speed increase will help quite a bit especially as the jaguar cores are decent at 2ghz+

GoLDii3 · Sep 21, 2016

I think Sony had no choice but to use 4K upscaling. They wanted to up the resolution from PS4 but there are no 1440p TV's so native would end up upscaled by the TV with a crappy algorithm.

CynicalUnicorn · Sep 21, 2016

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Originally Posted by frickfrock999

If you're expecting the Scorpio ever run 4K 60 FPS for all games, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

There's people with 1080 rigs that still can't run every game at 4K/60.

Yes they can. It's easy. Stick the settings on low. Done.

Don't sacrifice framerate for visual fidelity; that's stupid and what consoles do.

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