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#14,281 ·
deidian said:
I said 5%, not 0%.

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Also before you talk about things that you don't know:
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Can't run slower than 800Mhz: 100 * 8. And this is an OS level setting: it does the same in every platform which is what I said: takes Base Clock of each core and multiplies by the %, then rounds to closest of what the CPU can do. 100% is OS requests P0-state which in Intel CPUs is Turbo Boost controlled and in AMD is Precision Overdrive controlled.
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Ok, but my CPU is not idling at 800, its idling at 1100 for all pcores. And its also using 1.287v when idling with 0% usage.

Its not rocket science.
 
#14,282 ·
Xavier233 said:
Ok, but my CPU is not idling at 800, its idling at 1100 for all pcores. And its also using 1.287v when idling with 0% usage.

Its not rocket science.
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You are either:
1) using sync all cores (This stops cores from idling)
2) fixed voltage (this stops voltage from dropping).
3) old bloated install of windows; Your windows isn't set right due to configuration issues (can happen especially when upgrading from 10 to 11 or up/downgrading (rollback))
This can be tested by installing windows on a CLEAN FRESH SSD with nothing but basic Asus chipset (required) drivers, hwinfo and then checking.
4) you have c-states disabled.

This is purely a user problem that you need to fix; clearly no one else on this forum has this problem except you.
I already posted screenshots of the VID's idling properly and you ignored them.
 
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#14,283 ·
sugi0lover said:
If you like playing games with high overclocked system, you may check my video as well ;)
I overclock for real gaming. There are many videos with overclocked system.
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HT is off right? Does that perform better in this title?
 
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#14,284 ·
Xavier233 said:
When gaming, I always set the CPU and GPU to be at max performance. This will keep the frequency high on both, and keep the 0.1% lows to be highest possible
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You have c-states off in BIOS aswell?
 
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#14,285 ·
What would he a good OC for 13900KS?

I managed 6.0Ghz P cores and 4.8Ghz E cores. Doesn't like 4.9Ghz for E cores and 6.1Ghz needs too much voltage even on direct die.

Is there a CPU that can do 6.3 or 6.4Ghz with E cores being 4.8Ghz etc?
 
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#14,286 ·
Xavier233 said:
Ok, but my CPU is not idling at 800, its idling at 1100 for all pcores. And its also using 1.287v when idling with 0% usage.

Its not rocket science.
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If that's happening like Falkentyne said there's something else preventing the expected behavior. One thing you need to keep clear about setting CPU behavior is that it's an "all roads lead to the same place" situation: all CPU expose a series of locations in which operational parameters are set and then every piece of software(including UEFI) chooses how to manipulate those parameters to reach the objective they promise.

Windows power configuration is the same(every Windows program changing power settings will touch the same settings, just every program maker takes their choices), except it sits on top of CPU native power configuration: so if for example CPU native config says C-states are disabled like others told already, there's no down-clocking at idle no matter what it's set in Windows power plans. Same happens with Intel Enhanced Speed Step(EIST) disabled.

So, only option you have to troubleshoot that I know of would be:

1)Track down every piece of software you have that touches either Windows power plans or CPU native power management and see what's been set there. Falkentyne ones are good candidates.

2)Try running windows in safe mode(it only enables minimal drivers) to rule out Windows based software: this means whatever it is that's preventing it it's on UEFI

3)Go for flamethrower solutions like testing on clean Windows or fresh install. But to the date in my experience current versions of Win10 and Win11 are very resilient even when hardware, UEFI versions, Intel ME, etc changes are detected.
 
#14,287 ·
TheNaitsyrk said:
What would he a good OC for 13900KS?

I managed 6.0Ghz P cores and 4.8Ghz E cores. Doesn't like 4.9Ghz for E cores and 6.1Ghz needs too much voltage even on direct die.

Is there a CPU that can do 6.3 or 6.4Ghz with E cores being 4.8Ghz etc?
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Maybe P-SP 130+ KS chips. But extremely rare. Wouldn't bank on getting one.
Just enjoy your chip for what it is. That's pretty much where most golden chips will sit at, more or less.
 
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#14,289 ·
Falkentyne said:
You are either:
1) using sync all cores (This stops cores from idling)
2) fixed voltage (this stops voltage from dropping).
3) old bloated install of windows; Your windows isn't set right due to configuration issues (can happen especially when upgrading from 10 to 11 or up/downgrading (rollback))
This can be tested by installing windows on a CLEAN FRESH SSD with nothing but basic Asus chipset (required) drivers, hwinfo and then checking.
4) you have c-states disabled.

This is purely a user problem that you need to fix; clearly no one else on this forum has this problem except you.
I already posted screenshots of the VID's idling properly and you ignored them.
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If you bothered to read my previous posts, I mentioned it many times:

1. I set BIOS to 100% default = same problem
2. Windows shows 0% CPU usage. Its NOT possible that there are some programs running in the background, yet the CPU usage is 0%.
3. c-states are enabled, otherwise it wont clock down to 1100 in the first place

When I swap to the 12900K, it idles at a much lower temp, voltages and wattage. So how can the OS be the culprit?
 
#14,290 ·
Kocicak said:
The lowest frequency for P cores is 1100 MHz. They go lower only if you disable all E cores.
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Untrue, just simply untrue. Here is a video that proves this is untrue, which was posted in the other forum thread:

www.overclock.net

[OFFICIAL] Asus Strix/Maximus Z790 Owners Thread

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?131027-RaptorLake-Resources SP MC: MC SP -------------------------------------- Tests the MC solely, without touching the DRAM (you can even remove the dram while its testing) , same mc on different boards/dimms should give similar score Tests the...
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#14,291 ·
None of my so far 6 Raptors went lower than 1100 MHz on P cores on three different motherboards with stock or altered settings with E cores active. I only experienced the first P core to momentarily fall down to 800 MHz sometimes, but it never stayed there.

BTW why is that 300 MHz difference from 1100 to 800 MHz so important for you?

Why dont you just accept 1100 MHz and not bother other people with it?
 
#14,293 ·
Using fixed Vcore? 1.287V sounds reasonable for high clocks of something, not definitely idle.

What's your Uncore/cache clock? What are your E-core clocks?

Another point to remember: highest voltage requirement wins for CPU native power management. If some part in the Vcore rail is requesting that kind of voltage there you have why it's idling hotter than expected.
 
#14,294 ·
Ichirou said:
Maybe P-SP 130+ KS chips. But extremely rare. Wouldn't bank on getting one.
Just enjoy your chip for what it is. That's pretty much where most golden chips will sit at, more or less.
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Where do they max out? With P cores and E cores enabled? I can't get past 44700 ATM in CB23.
 
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#14,296 ·
Kocicak said:
None of my so far 6 Raptors went lower than 1100 MHz on P cores on three different motherboards with stock or altered settings with E cores active. I only experienced the first P core to momentarily fall down to 800 MHz sometimes, but it never stayed there.

BTW why is that 300 MHz difference from 1100 to 800 MHz so important for you?

Why dont you just accept 1100 MHz and not bother other people with it?
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Did you bother opening the video I linked?

its not just the frequency: its the idle temps, which are related to idle watts and idle voltage. All are related
 
#14,297 ·
Xavier233 said:
Yes because 95% of people on here are talking out of their a$$$es. Its ridiculous!

The misinformation on here is on a grand level which is simply amazing
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You need to calm down or you aren't going to solve anything: be it yourself or with others help. It's not like anyone here has remote control of your system with admin rights being totally able to see what they want and applying their own troubleshooting methods.
 
#14,298 ·
Honestly, unless the CPU is pushing more than ~30W on idle, I wouldn't worry about it at all.
 
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