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#2,423 ·
If it's BF 2042 stable for 4 hours, it's stable enough for me :p
 
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#2,427 ·
Nizzen said:
If it's BF 2042 stable for 4 hours, it's stable enough for me :p
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20 years ago you could overclock a CPU over 40%. Nowadays you reach with CPU overclocking generally not more than 10% additional performance (AMD CPUs). Systemoptimizing and tuning is a funny and interessting doing but a fully stable system should be more important as a overclocked CPU which achieves still only 10% more performance. Take the 5% more performance with light overclocking (Curve Optimizer) and have fully stable system.
 
#2,429 ·
tsamolotoff said:
Best cores typically have more negative internal curve values than the other cores. Since your core 0 is the best one, it probably has the lowest voltage applied as per default curve settings. To fix this, you need to apply more positive curve offset on this core and the other one (that is second best according to scheduler, core 4 in your case) than the rest of cores.
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Though it's not the cores that differ, it's the main thread and HT of core 0. All other cores have a main thread and HT deviation of like 1MHz at most, with or without blck overclock. Same results with either single or full core load.

Even at stock bclk, core 0 has a higher difference between threads. Oh well, maybe I'm placing too much weight on hwinfo reporting effective clocks, but it just had to be the best core...

Here's how it looks like at single core load, 100 and 102bclk.
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#2,431 ·
skyline385 said:
I was already getting tired of their BS with AM5, all the more reason to completely avoid them going forward.

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@shamino1978 @safedisk

I hope Asus do a video or letter reply to such accusations.

I have use Asus AM5, i have researched and read OCN all AM5 threads. I find his video unfair and self-directed on many points to match his disingenuous script.

Yes it is dangerous to engage with youtuber under Asus name, he has millions of cult followers ready to be anti-corporation. But this is very direct attack on your brand integrity. To exploit your brand to enlarge his own brandings. He told the world from one side of his own make up story.
 
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dansi said:
@shamino1978 @safedisk

I hope Asus do a video or letter reply to such accusations.

I have use Asus AM5, i have researched and read OCN all AM5 threads. I find his video unfair and self-directed on many points to match his disingenuous script.

Yes it is dangerous to engage with youtuber under Asus name, he has millions of cult followers ready to be anti-corporation. But this is very direct attack on your brand integrity. To exploit your brand to enlarge his own brandings. He told the world from one side of his own make up story.
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Don't worry hardcore overclockers know that Asus gear is the best out there.
 
#2,433 ·
I dont like what ASUS is doing....but **** it. On top 20 ddr5 AMD...19 are ASUS. Im writing from x670e creator with 7800x3d. And latest 4010...but im in €u...and they can suck me with they limited liability.

Sure high VSOC if AMD say can hurt the IO die, but as MSC EE i dont understand the path to CCD. This is what is problem for me. I fear that it is either design flaw, or defect in manufac.
 
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leinaD13 said:
20 years ago you could overclock a CPU over 40%. Nowadays you reach with CPU overclocking generally not more than 10% additional performance (AMD CPUs). Systemoptimizing and tuning is a funny and interessting doing but a fully stable system should be more important as a overclocked CPU which achieves still only 10% more performance. Take the 5% more performance with light overclocking (Curve Optimizer) and have fully stable system.
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Now in 2023 tweaking ddr5 is the meta for gaming performance. 35-40% more min fps vs slow untweaked memory isn't uncommon in cpu bound games. :)
 
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I am no Asus fanboi, and frequently favor purchasing based on value prop over brand loyalty. This time round, I felt Asus was the right path with a good variety of boards with a good set of features (usb 4 and extra pcie expansion slots at various price points along with the best featured or only itx board on the high end). I was just headed out to purchase the x670e-i Asus board (returned the x670e-e). But will push that out until the weekend.

The situation is frustrating to say the least. I'm not fond of the way GN has handled this whole topic either.

The first video had good content, some reasonable theories and data points. In the following videos, none of what they have said is outright false. However, instead of focusing on the issue at hand, trying to identify the root cause, impact and recommendations for consumers considering the current bios situation. They are just pandering to the audience. Trying to garner more views and subs.
 
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dansi said:
@shamino1978 @safedisk

I hope Asus do a video or letter reply to such accusations.

I have use Asus AM5, i have researched and read OCN all AM5 threads. I find his video unfair and self-directed on many points to match his disingenuous script.

Yes it is dangerous to engage with youtuber under Asus name, he has millions of cult followers ready to be anti-corporation. But this is very direct attack on your brand integrity. To exploit your brand to enlarge his own brandings. He told the world from one side of his own make up story.
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I agree with you that GN went pretty hard on this one. But there is one thing that should be said imho.

When you are the worldwide producer of a product as complex as a premium motherboard you are expected to have full knowledge and have full control over the complexity of your products.

The fact that they quickly released a BIOS that should have limited VSoc to 1.3v but didn't, that is really hard to digest for me and imho justifies the harsh approach of GN.
I am not knowledgeable of how Asus BIOSs are built, but it feels like it should not be too hard to place a check at the end of the BIOS initialisation chain, after all the tweaks and optimizations have been applied, so that if the VSoc is still higher than 1.3v then it gets limited to 1.3v. And then test such fix in a lab.

Missing that fix feels to me like they have lost control of the premium product that they are paid so much to provide to us. And from this point of view I believe that the GN's video is a loud and well deserved alert to Asus, like "*** are you doing ?", and that without such strong message it would be too easy for Asus to go further down the road of carelessness in the future, and make us pay for further possible issues.
 
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Kelutrel said:
I agree with you that GN went pretty hard on this one. But there is one thing that should be said imho.

When you are the worldwide producer of a product as complex as a premium motherboard you are expected to have full knowledge and have full control over the complexity of your products.

The fact that they quickly released a BIOS that should have limited VSoc to 1.3v but didn't, that is really hard to digest for me and imho justifies the harsh approach of GN.
I am not knowledgeable of how Asus BIOSs are built, but it feels like it should not be too hard to place a check at the end of the BIOS initialisation chain, after all the tweaks and optimizations have been applied, so that if the VSoc is still higher than 1.3v then it gets limited to 1.3v. And then test such fix in a lab.

Missing that fix feels to me like they have lost control of the premium product that they are paid so much to provide to us. And from this point of view I believe that the GN's video is a loud and well deserved alert to Asus, like "*** are you doing ?", and that without such strong message it would be too easy for Asus to go further down the road of carelessness in the future, and make us pay for further possible issues.
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What we don't know is if there was a concern with a high SOC possibly causing the CPUs to fail. Since this wasn't limited on the Aegesa could that have been unclear/unspecified? Considering the low number of people with blown/burnt cpus, I would think Asus wouldn't have been concerned with providing a higher default VSOC. Specially if there wasn't an explicit request from AMD not to go above 1.30V.

The fact that the Asus motherboard does not realize the cpu is dead and continues to feed it current is definitely an Asus issue and they deserve flack for it.

On the litigious language used on enabling Expo and the beta bioses however, ASUS are entirely in the wrong and look really dumb doing it.
 
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Kelutrel said:
I agree with you that GN went pretty hard on this one. But there is one thing that should be said imho.

When you are the worldwide producer of a product as complex as a premium motherboard you are expected to have full knowledge and have full control over the complexity of your products.

The fact that they quickly released a BIOS that should have limited VSoc to 1.3v but didn't, that is really hard to digest for me and imho justifies the harsh approach of GN.
I am not knowledgeable of how Asus BIOSs are built, but it feels like it should not be too hard to place a check at the end of the BIOS initialisation chain, after all the tweaks and optimizations have been applied, so that if the VSoc is still higher than 1.3v then it gets limited to 1.3v. And then test such fix in a lab.

Missing that fix feels to me like they have lost control of the premium product that they are paid so much to provide to us. And from this point of view I believe that the GN's video is a loud and well deserved alert to Asus, like "*** are you doing ?", and that without such strong message it would be too easy for Asus to go further down the road of carelessness in the future, and make us pay for further possible issues.
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Well said, it’s ridiculous that people in this thread are still defending ASUS. We paid a premium expecting a good product and is absolutely ridiculous that their motherboards can’t even maintain the voltage set in BIOS. Even with the 1.3V limit on the SOC, the actual voltage is still close to 1.35V. Meanwhile all other motherboard vendors have been able to maintain the same voltage as is set in the BIOS.

Additionally, their OCP is failing to do the one thing it was meant to do and they released an internal testing version of AGESA 1.0.0.7 to the public which was never meant to be released. This doesn’t even take into the account the BS disclaimer on the BIOS while going around telling people to do just disable EXPO.
 
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skyline385 said:
Well said, it’s ridiculous that people in this thread are still defending ASUS. We paid a premium expecting a good product and is absolutely ridiculous that their motherboards can’t even maintain the voltage set in BIOS. Even with the 1.3V limit on the SOC, the actual voltage is still close to 1.35V. Meanwhile all other motherboard vendors have been able to maintain the same voltage as is set in the BIOS.

Additionally, their OCP is failing to do the one thing it was meant to do and they released an internal testing version of AGESA 1.0.0.7 to the public which was never meant to be released. This doesn’t even take into the account the BS disclaimer on the BIOS while going around telling people to do just disable EXPO.
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whoever is trying to defend aSus on this, is not on peoples/consumers side SIMPLE!
 
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