If they're out - I can't find them for sale anywhere. They're not on Arctic's site and Google doesn't turn up anything either.

 

https://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/products/cooling/case-fan.html

They've been there around a month now? Saw them there weeks ago.

All the manufacturer air and noise specs are to be taken with a bucket of salt.
There are various variants of this fan beyond what is in OP, check the manufacturer site.
Are they good fans? Who knows, someone gotta compare them at equal conditions to other fans and then factor in price. Usually Arctic fans are pretty good bang 4 buck.

In shops ready to buy they are listed at around 5-6 EUR for 140mm variants, with VAT and free shipped right now, in stock.
Elsewhere in EU even a pack of 5 costs 30 EUR = 5 EUR a piece with VAT (often around 20% in EU).

 

Give it some time.

 

Those static pressure ratings aren't much to brag about. My slowest speed fan, a SanAce 140x38mm 109P1412M101 produces almost twice the static pressure of these fans at 1900 RPM and 33% more CFM.

 

Well yeah... it's a 38 mm fan and you're comparing it against 25/27 mm fans.

 

What The Pook said. :thumb:

It's really not fair to compare 25mm thick fans to 38 mm thick fans. It's like comparing a fan that runs 1200rpm fan to one that runs 2500rpm and saying the 2500rpm fan has much higher pressure rating. If we were to test the 2500rpm fan's static pressure at 1200rpm it will likely be very similar to that of the 1200rpm fan .. but we can't even do an comparison of 38mm thick fanb to 25mm thick fan.

Edit;
Got tired of hearing "they have a 10 year warranty" so looked up warranty to see ifit was any good .. and basically it's not worth much, if anything.

While some love their Arctic P fans some are having problems. and some are going bad after less than 2 years.

Now we get people saying "Arctic P has a 10 year warranty". Well that 10 year warranty depreciated 10% per year based on original purchase price, which is without VAT. At 10% per year a fan that cost £5.00 minus VAT is £4.00 and if it goes bad in 5 years at 10% per year warranty is£2.00. And if Arctic wants fan returned to verify defect with their main offices in Germany it will cost more post than £5.00 original price to send it in.

Here are a few quotes out of Arctic warranty:

If there are any defects in materials or workmanship in your Arctic product during the warranty period, Arctic will remedy these defects at its own expense by repairing or supplying new or refurbished parts. Arctic has the right to choose the means of remedying the defect. In individual cases, due to the constantly advancing technology, the repair or replacement of the product may result in disproportionate costs for Arctic. In this case, Arctic is entitled to refund the fair value of the product instead of repairing or replacing it. Arctic will calculate the fair value by taking into account the objective nature of the product. The fair value will be at least the amount of the purchase price, less 10% at the end of each year after delivery. For example, at the end of the third year after delivery, the fair value will be at least the amount of the purchase price, less 30%.

Arctic can only grant claims under this warranty if you send the product along with the original receipt/original proof of purchase showing the date of purchase and the seller to the location specified by Customer Service (for example, to a repair center). The product must be properly packaged to avoid damage during shipping.

You are responsible for the cost of returning the device and Arctic will pay for the cost of sending the repaired or replaced device to you.

https://www.arctic.ac/en/warranty/

Hopefully the above will show people how little this "10 year warranty" is really worth.

 

What The Pook said. :thumb:

It's really not fair to compare 25mm thick fans to 38 mm thick fans. It's like comparing a fan that runs 1200rpm fan to one that runs 2500rpm and saying the 2500rpm fan has much higher pressure rating. If we were to test the 2500rpm fan's static pressure at 1200rpm it will likely be very similar to that of the 1200rpm fan .. but we can't even do an comparison of 38mm thick fanb to 25mm thick fan.

Then stop claiming its "pressure optimised".

 

:sad-smile

 

:helpingha

 

I saw a listing for them on Amazon though they either say temporary out of stock or in stock / ships in 1 to 3 months.

 

Keep in mind if the 5 packs are relatively cheap like the F14's. Then we might have new value king on our hands.

On the other hand. Looking at the design. Seems similar to something cooler master has. A quick google search and you'll know what I'm talking about.

 

I found the perhaps first test review of these new fans, but it's in German:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...nd-p14-pwm-pst-im-doppeltest-die-p-serie-verspricht-hohen-statischen-druck.html

The review setup seems to be pretty good the way I understand it. There's photos about what stuff they used on page four.

The fans then seem to be pretty good fans. The P14 with its price should be a good choice for anyone, the "Bionix" version maybe not. Here where I am the Silent Wings 3 High Speed are the same price as those Bionix P140 right now. The P14 are about half the price, and there's 5-packs where a single fans is getting kind of close to just a third of the price.

 

Very interesting bit of testing. Thanks for posting the link. :thumb:

While the full speed, free airflow, grill, grill & filter and H5 flow rates and db data tells us little. But the 1000rpm radiator flow is very helpful showing use Arctic P series are as good as NF-A14 and ML140 with only Silent Wings 3 having better airflow (which many of us already know is true). But when I look at the sound pressure levels on radiator at 1000rpm and see Silent Wings 3 being 7dB louder than Arctic P series I started scratching my head and wondering what is going on here. Silent Wings 3 also has significantly higher airflow I'm not saying it isn't true, it does give me cause to wonder. I would be much less skeptical so I can understand noise level being somewhat higher too .. and if the difference was 2, 3 or even 4dB difference it would seem possible. But Silent Wings 3 being 7db louder on radiator at 1000rpm makes me wonder. Maybe they made a mistake in or their test equipment gave them a duff sound reading for P series and/or SW3, or maybe it's because SW3 is flowing 12m3/h more air and that is the cause, I don't know, .. but their 7dB difference between them does make me wonder.

I wish we had performance comparison of fans at same cfm airflow instead of just fan speed. That would give us a much better performance comparison than fixed fan speed .. but it's also more work for reviewer ...

 

I had updated the first post with 2 reviews I found earlier
edit: as far as pricing goes what I've seen on Amazon makes it only compelling in a 5 pack.


5 pack of P12 is $31 / €28
Cheapest P12 for single fan ~$12 / €6
Bionix P120 = $16
P14 ~ $13 / €8
Bionix P140 ~€18
5 pack of P14 = €41

 

Oh, I didn't look at the first post. An edit perhaps doesn't pop up in the thread subscriptions, only new posts?

 

Found more reviews


https://www.allround-pc.com/artikel...rtikel/kuehlung/2018/test-arctic-freezer-33-esports-one-mit-bionix-p120-luefter

 

Whats the verdict on these fans? I'm planning to replace the mismatch of fans in my case with all the same model and noticed the Arctic P12's are available in packs of five for £15 for 3 pin, or £25 for PWM PST.
The PST version looks particularly useful to reduce cable clutter.

 

Curious myself, they hit Amazon/Newegg in the US recently and I've been considering grabbing them too. The specs almost seem too good to be true considering the price and I haven't found any reviews of them doing actual tests with CFM/dBA/SP instead of them opening the box and say "oh wow so good."

 

How's the sound profile on these?

SW3s might look noisy on the sound meter but they actually sound really nice.

 

You are comparing be quiet! Silent Wings 3 fans costing $20-30 a fan to Arctic P series costing $3-7 a fan .. that's like trying to compare a Rolls Royce or Bentley to a Hyundai or Skoda.

 

Tech gets cheaper by day so I don't see an issue. These fans don't cost that too much to manufacture anyway.

 

Tech gets cheaper by day so I don't see an issue.

Tell that to NVIDIA

 

Or the F12.

 

While Arctic F series are lower pressure rated than Arctic P series they still have good enough pressure to overcome the resistance of grills and filters used in most cases .. as well as on coolers and even some radiators. Hardware.FR tested Arctic F14 PWM way back in February 2013 with graph of free airflow and through radiator.

They have an extensive group of fans tested under same conditions for comparison by clicking & hi-lighting the fans you want to compare from list. There is also selection at top for free airflow and airflow through radiator. While it is old and missing many of the newer fans we now have available it does have many that are still considered some of the best available.
https://www.hardware.fr/articles/886-26/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html#

 

Just ordered some of the p12 PWN PST fans to replace a load of coolermaster jet flo 120mm (too loud) on my GPU rad and boys case. I may look into a couple of the bionix fans for my CPU rad.

 

Please let us know how it goes. I also have a couple of jetflos in my gpu rad. Why would you choose different fans for the gpu and the cpu rad?

 

I currently have a OCed Ryzen 1700 having heat troubles, while running intensive things like x264 and some games.

My case is Bequiet Pure Base 600 and CPU cooler Scythe Mugen 5. I replaced all the fans with Cougar Vortexes because I still wanted to keep it quiet.
I think part of the issue is the Pure Base 600 filtered intake. I was hoping to get higher SP fans to deal with it instead of ditching the filters if possible.

So 2x 140mm Cougar Vortex HDB intake on front.
1x 120mm Cougar Vortex HDB on back as exhaust.
These three go up to 1200 RPM and are hooked to the fan controller switch on front. (usually keep it on middle)
2x 120mm Cougar Vortex HDB PWM on the Scythe Mugen 5 in push/pull toward the back. They go up to 1500rpm I think.

Think these new fans might be any better? Though it was mentioned it might not be great for push/pull setups. I dont mind more RPM, but id like quiet designs if possible.

I probably should have gotten the Fuma instead in the first place.

 

No idea why you posted here hi-jacking Arctic P series fan thead. But as it's already done I'll answer. be quiet! I agree that Pure Base 600 front grill and filter are rather restictive and that 2x Cougar Votex static pressure rating is only good enough to overcome that resistance at higher rpm levels (900-1200rpm), especially when supplying cool air for both CPU and GPU.

Have you monitored the air temp into your Mugen 5? Link below is to a simple low-cost way to do it. Ideally the air temp into cooler should only be 2-4c warmer than room when stress testing/running full loads.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319171-post2.html

You might find the basic guide to how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow in link below of interest.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/22319249-post5.html

Been using 6x F12 PWM on MagiCool G2 Slim 360mm rads and coped really well with TR1950X + RX VEGA 64 housed in Be Quiet Dark Base 900 with full mesh front and some modding to top panel.

Now using 3x P12 PWM on FormulaMod 360mm slim rad purchased from Aliexpress, which to all intents and purposes seems like the retail UK purchased MagiCool G2 Slim 360mm, even down to FPI, etc.

Very happy with P12, currently setup is on ThermalTake Core P5 cooling a 2700X. Seen as low as 400RPM, upto 1000RPM seem inaudible to me in reasonably quiet room. 1200-1400RPM hear more of an air movement sound, again not obtrusive. IIRC seen max 1800RPM, which I've profiled out via UEFI settings.

Cost ~£19.5 delivered for 3, so just like F12 PWM great fans for very little.

so from 6x F12 in push/pull to single 3x P12 fans on what appears to be same radiator spec? What is temp difference with same temp air into them?

like for like rpm you see a 2-3C improvement with the arctic P120 PWM over the coolermaster jet flo up to 1000rpm. Massive difference in noise between the two. I don't have a sound meter so couldn't do noise normalised.

Interesting that only 2-3c improvement at same rpm, but maybe if system was working harder/higher temps the difference would be more. From what I remember you have efficient airflow setup to start with, so only a couple degrees cooler is significant. What were the temps before?

The most significant part of your testing is that it is much quieter, even if only a few degrees cooler. A good pair of ears judging fan noise level is much better than sound pressure level in dB. I've tested fans when one sounded much nicer and seemed much quieter while still giving same SPL dB reading. :thumb:

 

like for like rpm you see a 2-3C improvement with the arctic P120 PWM over the coolermaster jet flo up to 1000rpm. Massive difference in noise between the two. I don't have a sound meter so couldn't do noise normalised.

 

Tried then on my CPU cooler today (cryorig A40 ultimate). Tested them against the standard cryorig QF120 performance fans.

cryorig first then the arctic P12 PWM. 650rpm is the lowest the AF fans run at and they top out at 2100rpm (should be 2200). Arctic went down to 168rpm. I tested the fans in a case as a front intake in push config.


3x cinebencg R15 runs

650rpm 54c V 57c
1000rpm 53C V 53C
1800rpm 52C V 50C
2100rpm 51C

AIDA 64

650rpm 60C V 65C
1000rpm 57C V 57C
1800rpm 54C V 53C
2100rpm 53C

For a real world application I used sony vegas to render a 54s 4K video while the fans were set to 1000rpm. This took 5:40 to complete. I couldn't hear the arctic fans over the ambient noise.

52C V 54C

I can't measure the actual sound level but I can note when I start to hear the fans. For the cryorig this wa at 800rpm compared to 1200rpm for the arctic. The cryorig fans are quite loud at 1800rpm while the arctic fans are not.

The cryorig fans clearly have the advantage up to 1000rpm but the sound difference is nothing short of amazing. I did this testing in a quiet house. No kids, no TV, no boiler sounds.

The BioniX P12 fans are slightly better than the standard P120 versions but they are 2mm thicker and top out at 2100rpm v 1800. They are also approx twice the price for one. I picked up a 5 pack of the pst versions for £33.

 

Has anyone tried buying direct from https://www.arctic.ac any reviews?

 

Sorry I wasnt trying to hijack. Ive seen those threads before and I know I need positive airflow. The issue is its hard to directly compare new fans with older mid range ones. All I have are old reviews and that big fan database thread on this forum to go by. I noticed a lot of high RPM fans that happen to have better sound profiles at high RPM tend to not push much air especially at lower RPMS. Thats why I asked. 500 RPM higher and still quiet and apparently SP optimized seemed too good to be true.

I was thinking about ordering direct as well since the price went up on Amazon.

https://youtu.be/JkJhmOA1CBw?t=540

Anyone seen this? You can hear both the p120 bionix and a Noctua redux 1700. Do a lot of the Noctuas hum like that? The Arctic sure does sound quiet, but I guess it doesnt say everything.
I dont really know what hes saying I just used the google CC translate.

 

. Do a lot of the Noctuas hum like that? The Arctic sure does sound quiet, but I guess it doesnt say everything.

pretty much

 

Ordered a Fuma and a value pack of P12 PWM PST. Pretty excited. I wonder how much difference there is between the Fuma fans and the P12.

 

I don't see an issue with Arctic F and P fans, they come in 120 and 140mm, 3 and 4pin at an acceptable cost. Now look at other brands and they only make say 120mm 4pin but nothing else in the same design and at a high price...
The warranty nowadays seems to be 6-10 years on Arctic fans too. For regular users they are good fans and I have no problem buying more of them. The only downside I know about is the thin flimsy cable on some of them.

I will buy P14 if I choose to replace the poor FD fans in my case.

Most fans produce very similar noise at equal RPM and size. Some motors though produce unfavorable noise at lower RPMs.

 

Most fans produce very similar noise at equal RPM and size. Some motors though produce unfavorable noise at lower RPMs.

I can't agree on this at all. I have tested numerous fans that sound drastically different from others at like rpm.

 

tested the F12 against the P12 on the radiator today. At 650 rpm the F12 have the better cooling ablity by a couple of degrees, while at 900 and 1300 rpm they are virtually identical. Using vegas again this time at 900rpm, the F12's are basically the same as the P12's. The biggest difference is the sound. The F12's are louder than the P12's and the type of noise is different with a more bass tone.

I'll try the fans on an air cool system at the weekend and see how the CPU and GPU temps are.