I am also an owner of a G700 and this is for me the mouse to keep until it brakes off. I will never be in the market for any other mouse.

I wonder if you just have a bad unit, or you might have different expectations which are understandable.

Side buttons are very easy to click for me. They also provide good feedback. I hope you noticed that the top 2 side buttons are clickable towards UP. When I first picked up the mouse and used the upper side buttons I was extremely dissapointed and thought they were broken. But then I figured it out. I was pushing them wrong. The lower side buttons are normal buttons where you click regularly but the upper side buttons are clickable by dragging your finger from bottom to top.

I have no issues with the scrool wheel though I prefer silent ones better and this one is not silent. But not a biggie.

I never use the mouse wheel left and right clicks so I can not really comment on them.

I think the overall build quality is pretty good and since this is a wireless unit, the mouse itself is a bit heavy. I wonder if that is the reason why you are having issues when you pick it up.

EVEEEEERY mouse is different really. It might be hard to get used to it but I would keep the mouse if I were you. That is of course if you are interested in wireless. If you were never really interested in the wireless function of G700, than there are better mice out there for you.

I should note that G700 is the best wireless mouse in the market imo.

 

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Originally Posted by iARDAs

I am also an owner of a G700 and this is for me the mouse to keep until it brakes off. I will never be in the market for any other mouse.

I wonder if you just have a bad unit, or you might have different expectations which are understandable.

Side buttons are very easy to click for me. They also provide good feedback. I hope you noticed that the top 2 side buttons are clickable towards UP. When I first picked up the mouse and used the upper side buttons I was extremely dissapointed and thought they were broken. But then I figured it out. I was pushing them wrong. The lower side buttons are normal buttons where you click regularly but the upper side buttons are clickable by dragging your finger from bottom to top.

I have no issues with the scrool wheel though I prefer silent ones better and this one is not silent. But not a biggie.

I never use the mouse wheel left and right clicks so I can not really comment on them.

I think the overall build quality is pretty good and since this is a wireless unit, the mouse itself is a bit heavy. I wonder if that is the reason why you are having issues when you pick it up.

EVEEEEERY mouse is different really. It might be hard to get used to it but I would keep the mouse if I were you. That is of course if you are interested in wireless. If you were never really interested in the wireless function of G700, than there are better mice out there for you.

I should note that G700 is the best wireless mouse in the market imo.

Thanks for your thoughts. I didn't actually realize that those two were clickable "up", but they still feel mushy to me. None of those side buttons provide good feedback for me.

And yes, wireless is important. I really like the idea of having a wireless mouse, but if I could get a a wired mouse that was a little closer to my expectations, I wouldn't hesitate to go that route.

I'm considering doing an exchange through Amazon to see if I can get a better unit, or just returning it altogether to get my money back and trying a different mouse. I haven't made up my mind yet what I want to do -- I was convinced that I wouldn't be keeping this mouse when I wrote my review, but I'm starting to entertain the idea of exchanging it for an identical unit.

Though, I have a feeling that if I have this many problems with this mouse, the next one probably won't be much better. Who knows.

 

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Originally Posted by lukeman3000

Thanks for your thoughts. I didn't actually realize that those two were clickable "up", but they still feel mushy to me. None of those side buttons provide good feedback for me.

And yes, wireless is important. I really like the idea of having a wireless mouse, but if I could get a a wired mouse that was a little closer to my expectations, I wouldn't hesitate to go that route.

I'm considering doing an exchange through Amazon to see if I can get a better unit, or just returning it altogether to get my money back and trying a different mouse. I haven't made up my mind yet what I want to do -- I was convinced that I wouldn't be keeping this mouse when I wrote my review, but I'm starting to entertain the idea of exchanging it for an identical unit.

Though, I have a feeling that if I have this many problems with this mouse, the next one probably won't be much better. Who knows.

Well if you want first exchange it. Than if you still do not like it you can ask your money back. I believe that amazon should help you with that though I am not 100% sure.

At the end of the day not every hardware is good for everyone. I've seen many people loving a certain mouse but I was hating it or vice versa.

For example I hated the RAT 9 wireless mouse so bad that I almost cried paying for that. But some people love that mouse to death.

Good luck.

 

Of course you're disappointed with the G700, it's a terrible mouse. People who say they like it are simply trying to justify the fact that they are now $70 in the hole and stuck with a crappy mouse. I can't even think of a single positive thing to say about the mouse.

- Abysmal scroll wheel...honestly the worst scroll wheel I have ever used.
- Squishy and crappy side buttons.
- The switches used in M1/M2 feel lame and cheap. Must be some kind of knock off switches because they sure ain't Huanos or Omrons.
- Not the best design/shape of the mouse on the market, that's for sure.
- If you shake the mouse or move it around quickly you can feel how crappily it is made as the inside components have a bit of a rattle to them.
- Doesn't come with a charging dock meaning you have to plug the cable in to recharge it.
- The mousefeet use some kind of weird hard material that isn't as good as what other companies like Zowie/Razer use.
- Overall feels like a very cheap piece of crap.

The G700 is one of the worst mice on the market in its price range.
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I should note that G700 is the best wireless mouse in the market imo.

This is objectively false.

The Razer Mamba is much much better than it in every single aspect (except for cost).

OP, if you absolutely desire wireless, then the Razer Mamba will deliver in spades, but it's gunna cost ya.

 

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Originally Posted by Remmib

Of course you're disappointed with the G700, it's a terrible mouse. People who say they like it are simply trying to justify the fact that they are now $70 in the hole and stuck with a crappy mouse. I can't even think of a single positive thing to say about the mouse.

- Abysmal scroll wheel...honestly the worst scroll wheel I have ever used.
- Squishy and crappy side buttons.
- The switches used in M1/M2 feel lame and cheap. Must be some kind of knock off switches because they sure ain't Huanos or Omrons.
- Not the best design/shape of the mouse on the market, that's for sure.
- If you shake the mouse or move it around quickly you can feel how crappily it is made as the inside components have a bit of a rattle to them.
- Doesn't come with a charging dock meaning you have to plug the cable in to recharge it.
- The mousefeet use some kind of weird hard material that isn't as good as what other companies like Zowie/Razer use.
- Overall feels like a very cheap piece of crap.
This is objectively false.

The Razer Mamba is much much better than it in every single aspect (except for cost).

I have the rig in my sig. If I hated the G700, I would grab a different mouse don't worry.

What a useless thing to say that people defend the mouse for the price tag.

I also used the Razer Mamba but I would always prefer G700 over it.

Also everything I said is my opinion and even said G700 is the best wireless mouse in the market imo which means IN MY OPINION.

Just read some overall reviews over amazon or any other site that many people tend to favor G700. It has an average rating of 4.5 while Razer Mamba has 3.5...The average consumer reviews matter and important. That being said a highly rated product can still feel bad for someone which is normal.

 

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Originally Posted by Remmib

Of course you're disappointed with the G700, it's a terrible mouse. People who say they like it are simply trying to justify the fact that they are now $70 in the hole and stuck with a crappy mouse. I can't even think of a single positive thing to say about the mouse.

- Abysmal scroll wheel...honestly the worst scroll wheel I have ever used.
- Squishy and crappy side buttons.
- The switches used in M1/M2 feel lame and cheap. Must be some kind of knock off switches because they sure ain't Huanos or Omrons.
- Not the best design/shape of the mouse on the market, that's for sure.
- If you shake the mouse or move it around quickly you can feel how crappily it is made as the inside components have a bit of a rattle to them.
- Doesn't come with a charging dock meaning you have to plug the cable in to recharge it.
- The mousefeet use some kind of weird hard material that isn't as good as what other companies like Zowie/Razer use.
- Overall feels like a very cheap piece of crap.

The G700 is one of the worst mice on the market in its price range.
This is objectively false.

The Razer Mamba is much much better than it in every single aspect (except for cost).

OP, if you absolutely desire wireless, then the Razer Mamba will deliver in spades, but it's gunna cost ya.

Like I said, I'm open to a wired solution. Make me a recommendation.

I just want something that is simple, but comfortable and functional. Like my old IntelliMouse.

 

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Like I said, I'm open to a wired solution. Make me a recommendation.

I just want something that is simple, but comfortable and functional. Like my old IntelliMouse.

I recommend the Zowie EC1 eVo.

Pros:
- Flawless sensor
- Really nice rubber texture that doesn't make my hand sweat like the rubber on my Mamba.
- Very lightweight, which is great for low-sens and FPS gaming (I'm sure this is great for all games really)
- Cable is really lightweight as well, since getting the mouse I am pleasantly surprised that it is not a braided cable (which adds weight/stiffness)
- Huge mousefeet, they glide really well on both my glass mousepad (Icemat) and my cloth mousepad (Qck+)
- No annoying drivers
- Great for palm gripping.
- "Notchy"/Heavy Scroll wheel - great for FPS games where you intend to only scroll the wheel a specific number of 'steps'.

Cons:
- "Notchy"/Heavy Scroll wheel - not so great for using internet browsers or games where you want to scroll in and out really quickly.
- Can't turn off the LED that illuminates the mousewheel.

$60 well spent. As you can see there are basically no real cons to this mouse...unless you find Huano switches to be too stiff, but coming from Omrons, it ain't that big of a deal to me.

 

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Originally Posted by Remmib

I recommend the Zowie EC1 eVo.

Pros:
- Flawless sensor
- Really nice rubber texture that doesn't make my hand sweat like the rubber on my Mamba.
- Very lightweight, which is great for low-sens and FPS gaming (I'm sure this is great for all games really)
- Cable is really lightweight as well, since getting the mouse I am pleasantly surprised that it is not a braided cable (which adds weight/stiffness)
- Huge mousefeet, they glide really well on both my glass mousepad (Icemat) and my cloth mousepad (Qck+)
- No annoying drivers
- Great for palm gripping.
- "Notchy"/Heavy Scroll wheel - great for FPS games where you intend to only scroll the wheel a specific number of 'steps'.

Cons:
- "Notchy"/Heavy Scroll wheel - not so great for using internet browsers or games where you want to scroll in and out really quickly.
- Can't turn off the LED that illuminates the mousewheel.

$60 well spent. As you can see there are basically no real cons to this mouse...unless you find Huano switches to be too stiff, but coming from Omrons, it ain't that big of a deal to me.

Wow, great recommendation. I will most likely buy this mouse based on the Amazon reviews alone. Many people are comparing it to the IntelliMouse. That said, I have a couple questions:

1. Is the scroll wheel really that bad? I could care less about the wheel click functionality (in fact, the stiffer the better because I don't want to accidentally press it), but what you say about the heavy/notchy scrolling worries me a bit. Can you tell me, how is the scrolling in relationship to the IntelliMouse? The IntelliMouse doesn't take a lot of effort to scroll, it seems pretty effortless, so I'm guessing that the Zowie is quite a bit different.. That does worry me a bit to be honest, because I do use my scroll wheel quite a bit (just not the clicking function).

2. How is the EC1 different from the EC2? Is the EC2 simply a smaller version of the exact same mouse?

3. You also mention that the side buttons aren't that great -- how are they compared to the DeathAdder's side buttons? Do they get in the way of your thumb, or can your thumb comfortably rest on the mouse without touching the buttons?

Other than the wheel scroll (which could potentially be a game-breaker for me), and the side buttons that could potentially crowd my thumb space, that mouse looks incredible.

Also, I must say that I really like the DeathAdder. Other than the fact that it feels a little cheap to me, the reason I don't use one anymore is because of the high lift-off distance (not present in older DeathAdders), and the tendency that it had to "pick" at my steelseries mouse pad. The latter was absolutely inexcusable -- I could've ordered custom mouse feet, but I didn't feel like fixing what I felt shouldn't have ever been a problem in the first place.

 

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Originally Posted by lukeman3000

Wow, great recommendation. I will most likely buy this mouse based on the Amazon reviews alone. Many people are comparing it to the IntelliMouse. That said, I have a couple questions:

1. Is the scroll wheel really that bad? I could care less about the wheel click functionality (in fact, the stiffer the better because I don't want to accidentally press it), but what you say about the heavy/notchy scrolling worries me a bit. Can you tell me, how is the scrolling in relationship to the IntelliMouse? The IntelliMouse doesn't take a lot of effort to scroll, it seems pretty effortless, so I'm guessing that the Zowie is quite a bit different.. That does worry me a bit to be honest, because I do use my scroll wheel quite a bit (just not the clicking function).

2. How is the EC1 different from the EC2? Is the EC2 simply a smaller version of the exact same mouse?

3. You also mention that the side buttons aren't that great -- how are they compared to the DeathAdder's side buttons? Do they get in the way of your thumb, or can your thumb comfortably rest on the mouse without touching the buttons?

Other than the wheel scroll (which could potentially be a game-breaker for me), and the side buttons that could potentially crowd my thumb space, that mouse looks incredible.

Sorry, let me clear up a few things.

1. When I was researching this mouse I saw a lot of complaints about the scroll wheel, after getting mine I feel like the complaints were unfounded. The wheel is noticeably heavier than something like the Deathadder (sorry I cannot compare to the Intellimouse because I have not owned one of those in forever) but by no means is it unusable. It just takes a little more effort to scroll when browsing the net, and at the end of the day, I bought this mouse for gaming. I wouldn't worry so much about it. Basically every mouse on the market has at least a single flaw and compared to what those flaws usually are I find this to be very minor.

2. The EC2 is just a smaller version of the same mouse. If you like the Deathadder/G700 size, get the EC1.

3. No, no...I was talking about the G700 in that post. The sidebuttons on the EC1 are just fine, but they feel a bit different than the Deathadder's, but you quickly adapt. If I had to describe it, the DA has really clicky sidebuttons where as the EC1 has softer sidebuttons, but not cheap-mushy like the G700. Your thumb can absolutely rest comfortably with no chance of hitting the buttons without purposefully meaning to. They do not get in the way.

Personally, I don't consider the scroll wheel to be a deal breaker, though it is noisy when you scroll the wheel really fast trying to get to the bottom of a long webpage (due to the notchiness). The actual mouse-wheel button (Mouse3) feels good.

Also, the mouse comes with a spare set of mousefeet, which is always a nice bonus.

 

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Originally Posted by Remmib

Sorry, let me clear up a few things.

1. When I was researching this mouse I saw a lot of complaints about the scroll wheel, after getting mine I feel like the complaints were unfounded. The wheel is noticeably heavier than something like the Deathadder (sorry I cannot compare to the Intellimouse because I have not owned one of those in forever) but by no means is it unusable. It just takes a little more effort to scroll when browsing the net, and at the end of the day, I bought this mouse for gaming. I wouldn't worry so much about it. Basically every mouse on the market has at least a single flaw and compared to what those flaws usually are I find this to be very minor.

2. The EC2 is just a smaller version of the same mouse. If you like the Deathadder/G700 size, get the EC1.

3. No, no...I was talking about the G700 in that post. The sidebuttons on the EC1 are just fine, but they feel a bit different than the Deathadder's, but you quickly adapt. If I had to describe it, the DA has really clicky sidebuttons where as the EC1 has softer sidebuttons, but not cheap-mushy like the G700. Your thumb can absolutely rest comfortably with no chance of hitting the buttons without purposefully meaning to. They do not get in the way.

Personally, I don't consider the scroll wheel to be a deal breaker, though it is noisy when you scroll the wheel really fast trying to get to the bottom of a long webpage (due to the notchiness).

Also, the mouse comes with a spare set of mousefeet, which is always a nice bonus.

Awesome, thanks for clearing that up for me.

To the best of your knowledge, is the EC1 still in production?

I saw this post on ebay and it says "no longer in production" in the description. I also noticed on the boxart that the mouse has DPI settings of 500, 1000, and 2000; though on the Zowie website, it says that (for the EC1), the DPI settings are 125, 500, and 1000. Interesting. I'm guessing that the one on ebay is an older version of the EC1?

Also, I was wondering if you could shed some light on something else for me. I was looking at some of Zowie's other offerings and both the FK and the AM look interesting to me as well. I am coming from an ambidextrous IntelliMouse, so that's why the FK and AM are attractive (but, I also really like the look of the EC1 because I liked the DeathAdder).

That said, in the description of the FK, it says this:
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The FK is similar to the AM in terms of specifications and features, and they are both ambidextrous mice developed for gamers who prefer a claw-grip play style, but that is where the similarities end.

The FK is an ambidextrous mouse with a \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ grip, contrary to the AM that has a /\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ gripping style. The design of the FK has changed slightly compared to the AM, amongst other minor adjustments, the height is lower. The adjustments to the overall design have been made to make the FK lighter and faster. We hope that the design makes it more comfortable to use, not only for gamers who prefer the claw-grip, but also for gamers with smaller hands who prefer to palm-grip their mouse.

Are "\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/" and "/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" supposed to be ASCII representations of a grip style, or is that some kind of text error? Could you perhaps explain the difference between the FK and the AM for me if you understand it?

Either way, thanks for all of the help. It looks like I may just end up with a mouse that's right for me, after all.

 

At the end of the day its all about preference, I had both Mamba and G700 I kept the G700 and sold the Mamba for like $5 loss. Though right now I am looking at the G400S.

 

For sure. That said, I think I can safely say that I will be steering clear of Logitech unless they change directions. They really seem to be going down the road of major marketing hype. It's a damn shame that they had some of the most coveted mice (G5, G500, and MX 518) and completely destroyed them with the next iterations. What the hell are they thinking?

I wish I could sit in on their focus group meetings and listen to the reasons thrown around that justify why this or that is a good idea. Their mouse product manager is a member here on OCN; I would be very interested to hear his take on what has happened with Logitech over the years, and why their glory days seem to be behind them (as far as mice go).

More than that, I wish I could get my hands on a brand new G5 or MX 518 without paying an inordinate amount of money. So many people loved those mice, but Logitech changed them for the sake of change and to make them more appealing to the "gamer". In actuality, they've done the opposite by decreasing the quality so much. I really wish I had got a G5 back in the day; I'll probably never know how awesome it was.

Now, I feel lost trying to sift through all of the bull**** marketing jargon that is being thrown around left and right by virtually every company. It's almost as bad (if not worse) than all of the crap that television manufactures pull like ridiculous 1,000,000:1 contrast ratios (which are completely unrealistic during normal use, btw). The closest I've come to finding a company that is seemingly concerned with producing a legit gaming mouse is Zowie with their EC1/EC2. But even it is not without its flaws.

I wish someone would start up a kickstarter and make an actually good, simple gaming mouse with a high build quality and reasonable price. Although, it probably wouldn't be successful in this over-saturated market.

I just want a good mouse. I'm willing to pay for it. Why can't I get it?

 

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Originally Posted by lukeman3000

Awesome, thanks for clearing that up for me.

To the best of your knowledge, is the EC1 still in production?

I saw this post on ebay and it says "no longer in production" in the description. I also noticed on the boxart that the mouse has DPI settings of 500, 1000, and 2000; though on the Zowie website, it says that (for the EC1), the DPI settings are 125, 500, and 1000. Interesting. I'm guessing that the one on ebay is an older version of the EC1?

Also, I was wondering if you could shed some light on something else for me. I was looking at some of Zowie's other offerings and both the FK and the AM look interesting to me as well. I am coming from an ambidextrous IntelliMouse, so that's why the FK and AM are attractive (but, I also really like the look of the EC1 because I liked the DeathAdder).

That said, in the description of the FK, it says this:
Are "\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/" and "/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" supposed to be ASCII representations of a grip style, or is that some kind of text error? Could you perhaps explain the difference between the FK and the AM for me if you understand it?

Either way, thanks for all of the help. It looks like I may just end up with a mouse that's right for me, after all.

The EC1 is no longer produced, because Zowie came out with the EC1 eVo. Definitely don't buy the EC1, it had a lot of problems so I hear. So yeah, that is the old one you linked to.

I think they are supposed to be representations of mouse shape, but I don't know how to interpret it... Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with the FK to compare it to the AM. I remember reading a post by one guy who came from the WMO/Intellimouse and said that he felt like Zowie made a mouse (the AM) that looked like the Intellimouse and then packaged it up without ever using it themselves. So maybe that's where the similarities end for those two mice.

The shape on the right side of the EC1 eVo curves outward slightly like ) whereas the Deathadder curves in on the right side like (. Felt a little odd at first since I was used to the Deathadder shape for years, but I came to like the outward curve on the eVo and now my pinky doesn't ever feel any pain from long sessions (I would palm the entire mouse, but since it curved inward on the right, my pinky went into a claw grip style just to hold onto the mouse).