Launched at $799, if you can find them at that price. Faster than a 3090ti according to Nvidia with charts of games using DLSS3.

Still I would have a bad taste if I paid $1999 for a 3090ti back in March.

 

Launched at $799, if you can find them at that price. Faster than a 3090ti according to Nvidia with charts of games using DLSS3.

Still I would have a bad taste if I paid $1999 for a 3090ti back in March.

So, not faster than a 3090Ti, then, unless using the Shiny New Thing?

I somewhat agree, but you've had nearly a year of use out of a 3090Ti, and bought at a time when prices were more than a little crazy... sooo... prices here are still a bit mental. Fluctuate a lot. But at least it's possible to get some cards for near their JP MSRP.

edit: Love that cat.

 

I suspect the memory bandwidth is what is going to hold it back, but it could still beat the 3090/Ti.

3090 has 37% more CCs/SMs..
3090 bandwidth is 85% higher.
4070 Ti core clock is 54% higher (and higher overclocking headroom).

I'm assuming it's using the same memory chips as the 4090, that could take them from 21 Gbps to 25 Gbps (+20%), so could see 600 GB/s bandwidth (still ~150 less than overclocked G6 on 2080 Ti).

With GPU performance rivaling the 3090/Ti (~50% faster than a 2080 Ti), I just can't see how the 600 GB/s memory bandwidth will not hold it back to some extent. The 4090 is already held back a lot and looks like 4070 Ti might be too.

Either way, 4070 Ti sounds amazing on paper compared to the 4080, the efficiency/price performance will be ridiculously good, the same power connector on all cards too which means BIOS flashing will be completely "open" (flash any BIOS to any card). We might even see very high power limits on some BIOSes if lucky (420 or above), since the 16-pin connector is more or less unlimited, all up to the partners, how big the VRM is I guess, and going by the images that has popped up, almost all cards are custom PCBs with large VRMs, would not surprise me if we will see at least one BIOS that go up to 420-450W like on the 4080. Personally I'd probably downvolt it to 250W, get the cheapest card with the best cooler, tweak it for absolute peak efficiency, "should" still be able to beat a 3090/Ti (will easily beat them in RT/DLSS 3) and consume very little power/run very quiet.

The reason for me making this thread, which I typically don't, on lower cards than xx80, is because of all the custom PCBs, the cards are just as massive as the 4080/4090, similar PCB and VRM (supposedly).

 

got my 4070 ti super and yea, it is a 4080 with 14 cores disabled and is very fast. overclocks incredibly well and afterburner's mem oc doesn't go hi enough to max the memory lol. 22501 is as hi as afterburner goes.

 

“$799 USD”

Spoiler: Bestbuy Canada retail prices

Exchange rate = $888 for the cheapest AIB card.

Spoiler: Exchange rate

It’ll need to compete with the 7900 XT as you can easily find XTs in stock for around $900. It may be a better value than a 4080 16GB but that is nothing to write home about.

Maybe in 8 months when they drop the price it’ll be interesting but buying an RTX 3090/ Ti level card with half the VRAM for at min. 888 USD is not going to entice a whole lot of people.

 

The whole " 3 times faster than the 3090 Ti " is only using frame generation as far as I know, which can be good or terrible according to the game you're playing because of the additional input latency. It's grossly misleading.

 

Just checked the reviews, the GN one is extremely disingenuous, ignore it. They're comparing one of the slowest custom cards (TUF) on the market against the second fastest 3090 Ti..

Looking at any other reviews, like Guru3D and SweClockers, 4070 Ti SuprimX and Gaming OC both beat the 3090 Ti FE with ease, both RT and Non-RT.

Something Steve barely pointed out, is how much more efficient the 4070 Ti is.

EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 = 71°C Avg Temp with fan RPM at ~1650 and power consumption at a ridiculous 503W.​

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ASUS 4070 Ti TUF = 61°C Average Temp with the fan RPM at ~1400 and power consumption at just 290W.​

Remember.. these cards perform about the same in the above comparison, give or take 5-10% depending on title and which model (factory overclock) you get. But it's safe to say that on average they're trading blows, with a slight advantage in RT and DLSS to the 4070 Ti.

It's thus obvious that the 4070 Ti is a significantly better card than any 3090 Ti, as it pulls ~160-210W less power and run ~10°C cooler with quieter fans, while being a tad slower (the lower end TUF) than a (highest end) 3090 Ti FTW3, but faster than FE and other lower end 3090 Ti's.

Currently 3090 Ti is being sold used with 1 year warranty left for ~€950, and you should be able to get a 4070 Ti for roughly the same €950, which includes 2 years store warranty here in the EU.

As for the 3090, they are cheaper but also significantly slower (non OC models at 350W), no warranty and they still go for about €800, I'd personally gladly pay €150 more for a brand new 2 year warranty 4070 Ti that is up to 10-15% faster.

Then the question become, how much will the 3090 go down in price on the used market? I would not touch one for anything above €700, not even a Strix OC. Going to be interesting seeing where they end up.

 

Then the question become, how much will the 3090 go down in price on the used market? I would not touch one for anything above €700, not even a Strix OC. Going to be interesting seeing where they end up.

I should hope the 3090 does go down in price, because if it and the 3090 Ti don't, its just gen on gen price/performance stagnation. Also as impressive as the performance is for the power, I still don't think the real price of $850-$950 I am sure these cards will really go for will ever feel great for a "70" branded card that is typically aimed at the mid-range gamer. Mid-range isn't close to $1k.

 

Why is it on 192 bit memory bus and not 256 tho that's kinda tilting. According to other OCN members, that's the reason its performance seems to dip at 4K.

 

That's how it works when you lose the 2 memory modules. Just to be clear easy math you get 32 bit per memory chip.
6x 32 = 192 and 12GB cause there 2GB chips. 4080 8x 32 =256 and 16 GB.

4080 is also memory bandwidth limited and respond to memory overclocks.

 

At this time, if you purchased a 4070TI you have been punked by the Nvidia machine.

 

How in the hell can people justify paying $800 for a card with a 192 bit bus? ASUS Strix is $1050!!! LOL.

$800 cards are in premium pricing territory, people buying them will likely have premium setups/displays (Ultra wides to 4K), Displays of those resolutions need high memory bandwidth to keep up with the rendering requirements at those pixel densities especially as more next gen games start shipping with their super detailed textures and models. That bandwidth bottleneck will make this card worse over time relative to its counterparts. Its shown in benchmarks that the performance difference between this and the 3090ti diminishes as resolution increases, and that's with current games - as games get more detailed, this will only get worse.

This card is in the exact same spot the 3070 was in - it too was effectively as fast as 2080ti (the last gen flagship) but came shipped with a gimped memory bus - Fortunately, that GPU was priced in the budget segment ($500 MSRP) so displays in this class did not need that bandwidth, because people tended to pair it with an equally budget friendly display (~1080p-1440p).

Once you move the pricing up to the premium market, it starts looking very stupid. Imagine paying $800(!!!) for a card that still loses to last gen parts on a substantially worse node. What a joke.

2 years ago, the $700 MSRP line used to get you a GPU 30% faster than the best of the generation before. Now the $800 MSRP line gets you a GPU that barely matches the best of last gen.

How sad that the only appealing card after all these new GPU releases (from both vendors) is the 4090. Everything down from that is just trash at the current prices.

 

Literally everything you said was wrong, congratulations. I'm not even going to bother correcting you as that would take up far too much time, this is like basic knowledge.

I just want everyone to know that this nonsense should be ignored.

 

There are owners?

 

The bus width is an issue, performance at 4K dips quite badly because of it.

Nice chip ruined by the bandwidth and price.

 

Its odd people here are complaining about a card that beats the 3090 which was a TERRIBLE value when it launched, yet most of OCN bought a 3090 back then if they could. Others I can understand, but OCN types, who might have bought the worse value card in history that was the 3090 at launch, go figure. A lot of the same folks here probably bought the 2080Ti too back when it launched, yet another terrible value for money flagship when it launched.

I don't understand how people here who likely bought the $1499+ 3090 at launch can be complaining about a non flagship card that's still a better value than blowing $1.5k on a stupid 3090, that was barely better than the $699 3080. The 3090 was a total JOKE!!!

 

Because the people that are complaining didn't buy those cards. And the people that did now bought a 4090.

The people that are complaining are the ones looking for standard 70 / 80 series pricing.

Up until now, when a new gen comes out, you used to get double the performance around the same price, or the same performance as the previous flagship for around half the price.

This is the first time GPUs are being priced the same as the last gen based on performance, now if that happened every generation since the Geforce 1, a 4090 would cost like what, a billion dollars?

 

In the UK, the price range from reputable suppliers is £850-£1049 Agree with the earlier comment about the product ruined by price and bandwidth. Sad state of affairs when regretting not buying a previous generation 3070 or 3080 in that short window when FE's were available during Q3-2022.

The GN review made me laugh (the disappointment tour T shirt ). Objectively hard to disagree with him tbf. Deary deary me, this from Toms Hardware re laptop 4070 ti:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-mobile-rtx-40-series-hints-at-weaksauce-4050-4060-desktop-gpus

RTX-4070 Ti "Beyond Fast" (beyond belief!)

 

Strix OC - PWM MPS MP2888A. MOSFET Infineon PMC41570 Power Stage (70A)х16, memory Onsemi NCP303151 DrMOS(50A)x3.

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Looks like a great $400ish 60-class card to me. They were going to try to call this a "4080"?

MSI Gaming X RTX 4070 Ti:

MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 3060:

 

Looks like a great $400ish 60-class card to me. They were going to try to call this a "4080"?

Not bad for a $400ish looking card, beating a $1400 3080Ti, this was the best runs on my old 3080Ti FTW3 Ultra running the 1000W Galax bios and pulling an insane 550W+ of power, vs. a "4080". The 3080Ti wasn't a value buy at all yet people bought like you bought one - I only got it back then because it was a "free" upgrade given the insane prices of used cards, my used 3080 more than paid for it.

Maybe you should have waited for the "4080" you're laughing at instead of wasting money on that 3080Ti FE, not sure how much you paid for it? A 2xPCIe-power 3080Ti FE just like the 3090 FE is a terrible buy, the power limits absolutely kills any performance potential on them.

So I guess we're left with people who overpaid for last gen crying they can't get a cheap performance upgrade here?

Result

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And the 60 class is gonna be 128 bit lol.

 

Nvidia has always been penny savages. They are able to get away with what they can due to lack of competition.

I'm a big perf over $$ kind of person, but i decided to buy the 4070 T.I Asus TUF for $800 at my local MicroCenter for 3 reasons. I probably would not have paid a penny more.

#1) I'm upgrading from an aging GTX 1070. My Mobo is an aging i5 2500k as well. So i have had my new i7-12700k build ready for a few months, but just the GPU was missing

#2) I am going to be staying on 1440 reso 165HZ gaming for the next 5 to 6 years. The 12GB Vram should make the 4070 T.I eek out an extra 1.5 years when its on its last leg.

#3) I did not want to gamble on a used mined up 3080 for $500 to $550 with no warranty.


This product fits exactly my demographic and my criteria and I know that this card is about $150 over-priced, but i made my decision and i have no regrets.

 

So inflation only affects GPU pricing?

All other components unaffected?

Ok so Intel goes from £250 to £330 for an XX600K, understandable, inflation and all that.

Nvidia goes from £650 to £1200 for XX80 GPU? And whatever the difference on this actually low spec and mostly empty PCB 4070 Ti vs 3070 Ti?

Also factoring in lower nm = less cost, this isn't just inflation, this is nvidia trolling.

 

I have my 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra sold, but won't give it until I get a replacement... Thinking of getting a 4070 Ti for something like a sidegrade (probably a little more performance and a lot less consumption and heat), but my case (Lian Li Lancool Mesh II) won't fit many of these cards... Ventus would fit, but I'm aiming for a TUF, but I also don't want to spend near 7900 XTX territory... Probably around 800-850 which is near for what I sold my current 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra...

Which one would you guys recommend?

 

All this talk of price continues to leave out a crucial part of the equation...AMD. 4080 matches 7900xtx and is priced around the same. 4070ti matches the 7900xt and is priced about the same. I 100% believe that Nvidia has known for quite awhile the performance AMD would be launching and realized they could sell these cutdown garbage cards for high prices because they matched AMDs performance and offer more new features. If AMDs gpus were either faster or much cheaper, this generation would look very different imo. Unfortunately, everything but 4090 is trash because AMD didn't deliver.

 

Unfortunately, everything but 4090 is trash because AMD didn't deliver.

If AMD came to market with competitive prices but not the performance win, that would still have forced Nvidia to lower the prices of the not 4090s. The 7900XTX/XT should be like $700/$500 cards and people should be complaining about AMD's ridiculous pricing on these cards, that's really what's keeping the Nvidia prices at these levels. If you can't compete on performance, you can still undercut your competition.

 

Owners thread lol. Name and shame yourselves 😄

 

Ok yea sure, the 4070 Ti is such a great card, I mean, look at all these owners ....

Meme thread.

I wonder how much Nvidia is paying the OP though.

 

People that do buy it let's say the average person there not going to come to a site like this to talk on the forum. I don't think it's that these cards are all bad the increase in pricing isn't a good thing with the way the economy is right now.

4070ti is definitely power efficient compared to 3090ti which are both similar in 1080-1440p perf. 4k little different seems like 3090ti still ahead by a margin. suppose if NVidia didn't gimp the mem bandwidth

It wasn't made to be 4k power house Nvidia wanted those gamers to buy a 4080/4090. It was designed to be a great 1440p card . Also I feel people forget that the amount of vram decides the bus size so 192 bit is what you get with 12GB cause making it 256 and giving it 16GB would have under cut the 4080 in speed and memory size.

 

4070ti is definitely power efficient compared to 3090ti which are both similar in 1080-1440p perf. 4k little different seems like 3090ti still ahead by a margin. suppose if nvidia didnt gimp the mem bandwidth

 

So maybe like what, 5% of 4070 Tis are selling, and 10% of 4080s?

So if each was priced 200 schmekles lower, and suddenly they sold 80%, even all of them to scalpers, wouldn't Nvidia be making a lot more money?

 

Hi guys, what is the cheapest 4070Ti card that can set TDP over 285W?

 

@SpajdrEX Check the original post here for some power limits that we know of, but you can always flash a different BIOS (365W), if you wanted more overclocking headroom/less throttling.

 

Thank you kind sir, did anyone successfully flashed any bios from different manufacturer? I checked this thread and people just talk about everything else just not flashing results :-/