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According to the benchmark, the Ryzen 7 5800X comes with an eight-core, 16-thread configuration, which means that it's the potential successor to the existing Ryzen 7 3800X. Besides, the core count, the benchmark doesn't reveal the chip's other specifications.


The Ryzen 7 5800X is apparently an octa-core part so its nearest rival should be the Core i7-10700K. However, TUM_APISAK pitched it against a Core i9-10900K result that reportedly is from the same user who tested the AMD chip. Both test systems employed the same GeForce RTX 2080 graphics card with the only difference being the amount of memory between the two configurations. The user appeared to have used the Crazy 4K preset for testing.

Core i9-10900KRyzen 7 5800XPerformance Difference
Averages114.8133.616.4%
Normal Batch136.3166.622.2%
Medium Batch118.6135.314.1%
Heavy Batch96.5110.314.3%

Overall, the Ryzen 7 5800X delivered up to 16.% higher performance than the Core i9-10900K in Ashes of the Singularity. It's a good outcome for AMD as the Ryzen 7 5800X seemingly was at a two-core disadvantage. It's pertinent to note that the user tested both chips under the DirectX 12 API, which takes advantages of more cores. However, clock speeds are equally important.
I don't know if you guys have seen this, but apparently we live in a world where an 8 core AMD processor can best a 10 core Intel processor in gaming benchmarks.
 
ASSUMING this is real.

If it is, though, and considering it has fewer cores and more IPC, according to generational data we have right now, could this mean we're finally getting a single CCX 8/16 Ryzen CPU from AMD?

It would be a huge no-brainer for gaming. It would probably bring about a multi-year drought for Intel in that market.
 
I would love for this to be true, but we usually see leaked benches showing the new chip beating Intel's current offering, and then when it comes out, suddenly it's 10% slower lol.

I'm ready to purchase one, but I'd like to see some numbers from a reputable source..
 
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Yeah of course, rumours are rumours after all. However, its not uncommon for truthful leaks to surface just before a product launch.

I'm fairly convinced that Zen 3 will be a notable CPU in the year to come.
 
What is happening on the 8th, again? Actual release or announcement of release?

Edit: "AMD is promising a "red" October, with next-generation Ryzen "Zen 3" launch on October 8, and next-generation Radeon RDNA2 launch on October 28."
 
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If it can oc to 5.3 I might believe this.
 
How does Ashes of the Singularity performance translate to general performance across the typical suite of benched games today (Far Cry 5, Crysis 3, Doom Eternal, Red Dead 2, Final Fantasy XIV etc.).

Ashes is burned in my mind as a bench for async compute. Which does not represent the majority of games unless I am mislead or misunderstanding the relevancy of benching in this game.
 
Did I miss something? (Probably have). But why is it 5000 series and not 4000 series? Are they doing an Apple (iPhone 8 to iPhone 10)?
Based on what I've read the 4000 series is just going to be APUs, but Zen 3.
 
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Based on what I've read the 4000 series is just going to be APUs, but Zen 3.
I see. That's cool.

Wouldn't it be great if they took the crown from both Intel and NVidia at the same time? I was looking at the RTX 3900 but given the problems I don't think I'll bother. However, as this is the last AM4 chips then I might upgrade the CPU to a R5950X if it stacks up well.
 
Apparently if you use faster ram, the score changes immensely on Ashes of the Singularity. I currently use a 3900x and hoping that AMD brings it to Intel, but we should all be skeptical.

Below screenshot shows 10900k scoring above 5900x on all batches with higher speed ram.

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Someone did a test from earlier and he thinks that the benchmark for cpu fps is significantly bound by memory. Not actual memory capacity (having 64gb won't improve the performance) but the memory speed and timing. That is why the results are all over the place.

He got similar results for the cpu fps for both 4.7ghz oc and 5.1ghz oc keeping the same 4000mhz cl14 memory.
What's gotta be noted for the original 5800x bench leak's that the dude who did the bench is a reviewer who runs his tests at xmp according to many twitter leakers, the reason his 10900k bench is from so many months ago is that he did the bench for his 10900k launch review, and probably on 3600 xmp.
The new results posted today are probably from a benchmark chaser or extreme overclocker. His id's ufo and he did all of these benches in 2-3 hours, each time he benched he lowered the system configurations which is why the the top 9 results for 10900k belong to him. He scored 7000 7000 6900 6900 6700 6700 6600 6500 6500.
It would be great if someone with a 10900k and average memory could run a bench and compare the results against his, that way we'd know how far out his benches are from normal.
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Confirmed that a stock 10900k run with 2933mhz ram scores similar to the "dputiger" 10900k at 112 cpu fps vs 113 cpu fps thanks to u/chaos7x

That means a few things probably
  1. The aots benchmark for cpu fps is hugely affected by ram speed and it doesn't reflect cpu performance clearly
  2. The benchmarks by user "ufo" are done on extreme memory speeds and timings, with over 166fps vs 113fps on average 10900k and memory. It doesn't reflect a normal score
  3. The 5800x benchmark tells very little about zen3's performance because we know nothin about the memory, but some are guessing it's 3600 xmp (timings?) based on the "reviewer" history. That could explain why it's much faster than the 10900k. Edit, 10700k stock improves cpu fps score by 11% through 3600 xmp hitting 125 cpu fps compared to 133fps on 5800x

We're kinda back to zero for zen3 performance because the leaked bench is too affected by memory speed to tell much, but on similar memory speed the 5800x might be a little faster than 10900k in that heavily memory affected bench by 6.5%. Aots cpu fps scales different from normal games and should not be used to draw definite conclusions about cpu performance. It could be faster than a 10900k but we ain't gonna know how much it's ahead
 
Based on what I've read the 4000 series is just going to be APUs, but Zen 3.
I see. That's cool.

Wouldn't it be great if they took the crown from both Intel and NVidia at the same time? I was looking at the RTX 3900 but given the problems I don't think I'll bother. However, as this is the last AM4 chips then I might upgrade the CPU to a R5950X if it stacks up well.
AMD Renoir 4000 is NOT Zen 3. It's Zen 2.
Today AMD is finally lifting the lid on its long-awaited desktop Zen2 based APU family. Using the same silicon as in the Ryzen Mobile 4000 family, AMD is pumping it up into 35 W and 65 models in the same AM4 platform that is in use today. There has been strong demand from PC builders to release these chips, which were on the topics of forum conversation all the way back at CES. There’s only one downside to these new processors: you can’t buy them on their own. AMD states that the initial release of Ryzen 4000G hardware is for OEMs like Dell and HP only for their pre-built systems.
AMD is probably going 5000 series to prevent confusion between 4000 (Renoir zen2) and 5000 (Vermeer zen3)
 
Why would it have to OC to 5.3? Surely IPC and process improvements (along with frequency uplift) could get it to similar performance?
Hi,
Higher core clocks and memory as well usually result is better performance/ fps
Far as I've noticed amd 3k series has a nice boost clock but still struggles to keep up with intel so if this changes amd might be on to something.
 
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Hi,
Higher core clocks and memory as well usually result is better performance/ fps
Far as I've noticed amd 3k series has a nice boost clock but still struggles to keep up with intel so if this changes amd might be on to something.
Zen 3 is 15 - 20% quicker than Zen 2. On top of that, it should clock a bit faster.
 
What is the spec/speed of forthcoming 5950X? how would it compare to my current I7 8700K de-liddied @5GHZ all 6 cores? Big flight sim fan here, some high end games too, currently on 32 GB ram and 12 GB Titan X Pascal and waiting for inevitable RTX 3080 Ti with hopefulyy 20 GB for 4K.

I have an upgrade itch that needs satisfied, would switch to AMD CPU's if the benefit was there.
 
What is the spec/speed of forthcoming 5950X? how would it compare to my current I7 8700K de-liddied @5GHZ all 6 cores? Big flight sim fan here, some high end games too, currently on 32 GB ram and 12 GB Titan X Pascal and waiting for inevitable RTX 3080 Ti with hopefulyy 20 GB for 4K.

I have an upgrade itch that needs satisfied, would switch to AMD CPU's if the benefit was there.
I would imagine with rumored 5ghz one core and up to 4.8ghz all core seen in the 4700 desktop APU but thing is do you need to upgrade now or is it better to wait for next year when Ryzen 6000 (AM5) built on TSMC 5nm comes out with with DDR5 Support, USB 4 and other improvements. It's all how you want to spend your money for the next round of upgrades. That's where you would get an even bigger jump overall.
 
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Well I'm going to continue to remain skeptical. I can't wait and see what they do in more games, I don't have any frame of reference with AOTS.
Always wait for review before making a purchase decision, always take rumors with a pinch of salt. That said I think AMD has got a good line of CPUs for us. It makes a change from Skylake refreshes.
 
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