[bmagnien]

pretty pumped about this and nowhere else to share where it'd be appreciated: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/24273620
Top 15 in HOF (among single GPU FS scores), and first American on that list. I decided since I'm building in a SFFPC with a handle, I might as well pick it up and put it outside. Got me a few extra points until the hybrid kit comes

 

[ttnuagmada]

No. The XOC gives 500W to some cards. But on the Strix we think it’s anywhere from 520-575W because it doesn’t report proper power usage on one of the ports and gives much better results than just having an extra 20W.

You posting something about this earlier in the thread is the only thing i see mentioned about it. I just swapped over to the XOC and clocks drop even lower in Furmark and my AX1600i doesnt show the wattage hitting the same average/peak as the Kingpin bios.

Is there a discussion about this somewhere, or is this just your own observation?

 

[mirkendargen]

Random thought I wonder if anyone has tried (I can just try myself too...)

Anyone tried the TUF BIOS on a Strix? My idea being that the XC 2x8pin BIOS helps FTW3's, would the TUF 2x8pin BIOS help 3x8pin Strixs more than the 520W BIOS and keep all the outputs since they have the same configuration?

No. The XOC gives 500W to some cards. But on the Strix we think it’s anywhere from 520-575W because it doesn’t report proper power usage on one of the ports and gives much better results than just having an extra 20W.

If the idea is that this happens because the 3rd 8pin's power isn't reported, the 520W KPE BIOS also doesn't report the 3rd 8pin correctly and would do the same thing. I personally see slightly less power limiting with the 520W BIOS on my Strix than the 500W BIOS, which was slightly better than the 480W BIOS.

 

[HyperMatrix]

Random thought I wonder if anyone has tried (I can just try myself too...)

Anyone tried the TUF BIOS on a Strix? My idea being that the XC 2x8pin BIOS helps FTW3's, would the TUF 2x8pin BIOS help 3x8pin Strixs more than the 520W BIOS and keep all the outputs since they have the same configuration?



If the idea is that this happens because the 3rd 8pin's power isn't reported, the 520W KPE BIOS also doesn't report the 3rd 8pin correctly and would do the same thing.

I’m basing it off of the pin not reporting, voltage and clocks staying much higher, and my 900W battery backup triggering whenever card was at full load and CPU went over 50% usage. Hasn’t happened in any other situation. It’s possible that the same thing happens with the KPE bios. I wouldn’t be able to test that. I believe Sheyster also had the same experience with the XOC bios on Strix.

Also consider the fact that the XC3 390W bios on the FTW3 allows for somewhere between 480-520W while not reporting 3rd pin power and 2nd pin just reporting about 50% usage.

another interesting fact to go with the pcie slot conspiracy theories: The XOC bios only pulls 430W on most FTW3 cards. It pulls 75W from the slot. With the XOC bios that gets it somewhere around 500W, it only pulls 65W from the slot. The Strix with the XOC bios drops from normal 75W usage down to 50W usage. Could have some relation. Freeing up pcie slot utilization = more power pulled from elsewhere?

 

[ttnuagmada]

I’m basing it off of the pin not reporting, voltage and clocks staying much higher, and my 900W battery backup triggering whenever card was at full load and CPU went over 50% usage. Hasn’t happened in any other situation. It’s possible that the same thing happens with the KPE bios. I wouldn’t be able to test that. I believe Sheyster also had the same experience with the XOC bios on Strix.

the KPE bios doesnt report 3rd 8pin either, and my personal results on clocks/power are the opposite of yours

 

[HyperMatrix]

the KPE bios doesnt report 3rd 8pin either, and my personal results on clocks/power are the opposite of yours

So you’re getting a lower scores with the KPE bios on your Strix? Are temps the same? Do you have the same issue with the XOC bios? Or do you mean that kingpin gives better results than XOC? Because that’s possible since they’re both similarly designed EVGA bios so triggering the same mechanism in the Strix but with larger PL limit on KPE bios.

 

[ttnuagmada]

So you’re getting a lower scores with the KPE bios on your Strix? Are temps the same? Do you have the same issue with the XOC bios? Or do you mean that kingpin gives better results than XOC? Because that’s possible since they’re both similarly designed EVGA bios so triggering the same mechanism in the Strix but with larger PL limit on KPE bios.

Im saying that i get slightly better results on the KPE bios. It's not a major difference, but it's there. I stay in the 1815-1830mhz range in furmark with the KPE, and i drop under 1800 with the XOC. My AX1600i also shows slightly more power usage with the KPE bios.

 

[HyperMatrix]

Im saying that i get slightly better results on the KPE bios. It's not a major difference, but it's there. I stay in the 1815-1830mhz range in furmark with the KPE, and i drop under 1800 with the XOC. My AX1600i also shows slightly more power usage with the KPE bios.

Yeah that's definitely possible. I never said anything about what the KPE could or couldn't do. Was just explaining that the 500W XOC bios actually provides more than 500W. KPE, also being an EVGA bios like the XOC, is likely bugging out the Strix in the same way, but with even more internal headroom with the power limit. I should have tested the actual power draw when I had the Strix. I have an ax1500i. I just didn't want to install the 1.5GB bloatware iCue software to do it. Lol.

 

[ttnuagmada]

Yeah that's definitely possible. I never said anything about what the KPE could or couldn't do. Was just explaining that the 500W XOC bios actually provides more than 500W. KPE, also being an EVGA bios like the XOC, is likely bugging out the Strix in the same way, but with even more internal headroom with the power limit. I should have tested the actual power draw when I had the Strix. I have an ax1500i. I just didn't want to install the 1.5GB bloatware iCue software to do it. Lol.

Ok i gotcha. I took your original reply to mean that the XOC bios was doing something the KPE wasn't.

in any case, hitting the power limit is still stupid easy with either of them. My 1080Ti's would stay under the power limit, locked at 2100mhz with just the stock 380w Aorus Xtreme vbios in literally anything but Firestrike. It's crazy to me that a 500w+ TDP is still not nearly enough to keep a 3090 consistently maxed out.

 

[mirkendargen]

Random thought I wonder if anyone has tried (I can just try myself too...)

Anyone tried the TUF BIOS on a Strix? My idea being that the XC 2x8pin BIOS helps FTW3's, would the TUF 2x8pin BIOS help 3x8pin Strixs more than the 520W BIOS and keep all the outputs since they have the same configuration?

Just tested the TUF BIOS out, it's a big nope. Power limited in Port Royal at 1950Mhz/1.045v. KPE 520W BIOS does 2100+ 1.1v almost never power limited a whole run.

 

[HyperMatrix]

Just tested the TUF BIOS out, it's a big nope. Power limited in Port Royal at 1950Mhz/1.045v. KPE 520W BIOS does 2100+ 1.1v almost never power limited a whole run.

Yeah I just checked the power reporting on my FTW3 with the 390W XC3 bios that also doesn't report 1 pin. At idle, it reports 65W but obviously incorrect since one pin isn't reporting and one is reporting at half. But while it's idle and reporting at 65W, my total system power consumption is at 390W. Don't ask. Lol. If I remember correctly from the previous cards, they would idle at somewhere between 130-150W since my card doesn't downclock. Anyway, when the GPU goes to full load, which reports 300W, system power usage goes up to 770W. So it reports going up from 65 to 300 = 235W but system power consumption goes up by 380W. Now CPU usage is a part of that. My CPU under non-AVX full load uses an extra 60W above idle usage. So not a big deal So let's give 15W of that extra system power usage to the 10-24% average CPU usage during port royal loop. That means 365W more power at full load vs at idle. Considering idle is, as I said, somewhere between 130-150W from memory, this would line up perfectly with a 500W-520W power limit from a bios that's rated for 390W, because it's not reporting pin power usage properly, AND - possibly - because it reduces PCIe slot power usage.

 

[Keninishna]

i did it for about 350 bucks. the results are definitely worth it. bykski block and thermaltake kit for the rest. can maintain max 65c with a 390w bios flashed, with just a 240mm rad.

Yeah I ended up giving in and doing a water cooling setup and it’s definitely worth it temps are better and best of all it’s almost silent at load.

 

[thorswrath91]

Will the Gigabyte Bios flash to a Zotac Trinity do we know?

Yes, works like a dream but expect higher thermals. I suggest you water cool if you so choose to do. The card loses stability at higher temps negating the extra 40w envelope advantage.

 

[thorswrath91]

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Hi everyone, I just joined the RTX 3090 family, albeit my card is the cheapest of the cheap. Rather than getting scalped for RTX 3080, a MSRP Zotac RTX 3090 seems like my best option for a GPU at the moment. I've been trying to finish this build for quite some time now (started in Feb) and waiting for Zen 3 + current gen GPU's.

Current overclocks: +100/+650, 66% static fan speed, 90% vcore (it's about 0.80v~ under Unigine Heaven)

Questions:
1- Are there any BIOS's worth flashing this card to? (I have no idea what's compatible or will work)
2- Is it worth to put this under water? (Barrow has a well priced block for this PCB)
3- I am using Unigine Heaven as a stability test (8-12h loops), is there anything else that is better suited for testing overclocks?

Now I just need to finish the wife's build with my hand-me-downs...
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Fantastic.
1. I think the sweet spot is the Gigabyte Gaming OC one with the 390w power limit. Mind you, one DP port gets disabled after flashing.
2. Have to go water - the card loses stability at higher temps negating the extra 40w envelope advantage.
3. Suggest you use Port Royal or Boundary ray tracing (in demo mode for loop) to test out. it has both raytracing, dlss and rasterization techniques used in it. Would really work the card.

 

[thorswrath91]

I have a tuf that I'm planning to run at 600W. Wondering if I will damage the die if the wattage is too high.

First to die would be the power delivery. not saying it would, but gpu die would be the last to be fried.

 

[Carillo]

Hey. Anyone been running 5mOhm resistors on all 6 with 2x8 pin card for a while ? Currently running 8mohm on all 6, and according to the shunt calculator that should be around 643 watt using a 390 watt bios? But in my case I’m only seeing around 530 watt, and still power limited. I’m more familiar with 3x8 pins. What are you’re recommendations to get around 650 watt ? Also tried the KP 520w bios , but I then lost 60 watt. I’m reading power from the PSU, not software. Thanks

 

[mattxx88]

Hey. Anyone been running 5mOhm resistors on all 6 with 2x8 pin card for a while ? Currently running 8mohm on all 6, and according to the shunt calculator that should be around 643 watt using a 390 watt bios? But in my case I’m only seeing around 530 watt, and still power limited. I’m more familiar with 3x8 pins. What are you’re recommendations to get around 650 watt ? Also tried the KP 520w bios , but I then lost 60 watt. I’m reading power from the PSU, not software. Thanks

i shunted mine FE last sunday (full 5 mOhm) and played for about 5 hours yesterday
i see 650w peaks at the wall (kill a watt) + 9900ks @5.3ghz
also 2145mhz stable on air is amazing, waiting for waterblok

 

[jodasanchezz]

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[Sheyster]

I’m basing it off of the pin not reporting, voltage and clocks staying much higher, and my 900W battery backup triggering whenever card was at full load and CPU went over 50% usage. Hasn’t happened in any other situation. It’s possible that the same thing happens with the KPE bios. I wouldn’t be able to test that. I believe Sheyster also had the same experience with the XOC bios on Strix.

My assessment was that on air the 500W EVGA BIOS should be used. Giving up 1000 RPM on the middle fan is just not a good idea on air. Locked at 100% using the KPE 520W BIOS it's actually only running at 66% (~2000 RPM). My SP 4K Optimized testing was almost identical with both of them. One reason why the KPE might seem better is because the default clock is 1920 MHz and some guys may not be compensating for the difference when using the 1800 MHz 500W BIOS.

Finally, if folks are using the EVGA 500W BIOS on an air-cooled Strix, I highly recommend trying a small undervolt. I'm having good results with a 1000mv curve in AB. I'm not locking voltage like we discussed before. Naturally the curve to the right of the 1000mv point is flat at all higher voltage points.

 

[jodasanchezz]

Im a bit convused, what BIOS gives me the highest PWR draw for a 3090 Strix ?
The KPE or the EVGA 500W Beta Bios ?
(BTW Wattercooled EK Block and MO-RA 420 Radiator)

Thanks in advance