Any news on real benchmarks soon-ish? Given launch is in 30~45 days

 

The review embargo for 7000 series was September 26, and they launched the next day on the 27th. I wouldn’t expect ‘official’ benchmarks until the day before, unfortunately, but I’d say there’s a good chance of leaked performance numbers coming out prior to that. 50 days from not until the end of February, let’s see when we get a release date.

 

...really interested in the 7950X3D and look forward to learn much more about the 7950X3D via third-party reviews and tests...since I use these systems for work as well, I just need to figure out whether to make another combined work-play build, or go for a separate build along with a next-gen HEDT (upcoming AMD Threadripper, Intel Sapphire Rapids). If it is the former, s.th. like the Asus ProArt 670E and 7950X3D, if it is the latter, then a 7950X3D in the Asus Gene 670E would do nicely...

One advantage the 7950X3D has is that it doesn't require a brand new yet-to-be proven mobo and chipset at the same time of its own release, just a bios update for the existing AM5 mobos which have been around for a bit. Also, more and faster DDR5 at lower prices than before seems to be around these days.

While I usually go for Asus boards, Gigabyte and MSI also have some nifty AM5 offerings. But within the relevant Asus mobo line, these two have my attention for a 7950X3D build:

 

...really interested in the 7950X3D and look forward to learn much more about the 7950X3D via third-party reviews and tests...since I use these systems for work as well, I just need to figure out whether to make another combined work-play build, or go for a separate build along with a next-gen HEDT (upcoming AMD Threadripper, Intel Sapphire Rapids). If it is the former, s.th. like the Asus ProArt 670E and 7950X3D, if it is the latter, then a 7950X3D in the Asus Gene 670E would do nicely...

One advantage the 7950X3D has is that it doesn't require a brand new yet-to-be proven mobo and chipset at the same time of its own release, just a bios update for the existing AM5 mobos which have been around for a bit. Also, more and faster DDR5 at lower prices than before seems to be around these days.

While I usually go for Asus boards, Gigabyte and MSI also have some nifty AM5 offerings. But within the relevant Asus mobo line, these two have my attention for a 7950X3D build:

Gigabyte did really well out of the box, but Asus has caught up with later bios's.

It will be interesting to see if any new motherboards come out with the launch, although possibly a little to close to initial launch for anything major.
Choice might come down to bios options that could deal with locked voltage better and probably locked multiplier. At least CO and PBO still seem to be options and Async clk should do a lot better than the 5800x3d could. Asus's crosshair voltage suspension, algorithms and per core boost limit might come into there own. Not sure what the other vendors have in there tool kits though.

64gig dr with high fclk and frequency might be the trick too.

All to soon to tell, but some interesting times ahead with delidders on the cards as well

 

I believe these are the best sticks for Zen 4 thus far, 6000 c30 with 1:1 IF. They’ve come down a lot in price since launch and continue to drop. Not sure if we’ll see better…perhaps some tighter timings? I think we’re stuck with 6000mts with the zen 4 imc- but hopefully the socket will support higher speeds with Zen 5…

 

I'm intrigued to see how the 7950x stacks up to the 7950x3d. I just picked up the 7950x and MSI X670E MEG GODLIKE, today..



I just picked that RAM kit up, hoping to get the CAS a liiiitle lower. if I can.

 

Subbed!

 

G.Skill 32GB 6000 kit for $568

$568 for a measly 32GB 6000 kit? Deal of the century right there.

 

Lol I think you missed the “free” 7950x included as well for that price.

 

EEEE i pay 521$ for DDR4

 

I have a hard time choosing between the X670E Carbon and X670E-E. X670E-E has many reports of users having problems with Ethernet and Wi-Fi.

 

I had no idea there were network issues being reported... that's upsetting. I'll have to try to find some.
I'll be pretty irritated if I have issues, as the motherboard I warrantied (the mobo before I got the godlike) was warrantied for... a dead ethernet port/chipset (Asus b550-XE Gaming Wifi)

 

I build in a SFX case so the Asus x670i is pretty much my only option. Only issue I have with it is it only has one pcie 5 ssd slot so I can’t do a fully pcie 5.0 raid setup like I have now in my x570i (albeit both are at 4.0). Oh and the price - it’s still nearly $450 USD everywhere which is insane imo.

 

No viable B650/B650E options?

 

I am looking at B650E-E Strix. It seems to tick all boxes at a more 'affordable' SRP

I do not see a reason to go higher X670E. I check the difference are mainly beefier VRM and the extra chipet allows more multiplex PCIE connectors. However every PCIE running of the chipsets are still limited by the PCIE4 lane to the cpu.

 

I don't need much about B650E-E Strix, but a descent MB with a B650E is all you need. Because it has PCI-E 5.0 on both M.2 and PCI slot. You can't overclock these CPUs much, and the VRM is overkill on all these MBs anyways. There is no reason to pay for those expensive X670E, unless you have a really wierd need for excessive I/O.

The same have been true for last generation too. A decent MB with B550 have proven to be as good as any X570.

 

I'm interested in the 7950X3D or 7800X3D. The nice thing about the 16 core is that some games like clockspeed and the non-3d CCDwill perform well there, but others like cache and it'll deliver on that front also. The 7800X3D should be much more straightforward, but will lose out on the clockspeed advantage unless these things can be overclocked. I'm predicting scheduler issues for the dual CCD chips, but that could be mitigated by just disabling whatever CCD performs worse with the application/game you're using.

 

7900X3D and 7950X3D will have only CCD0 stacked with 3D V cache.
This CCD will be locked at 5GHz.

CCD1 will have no 3D Vcache and will have a max boost of 5.6GHz for 7900X3D and 5.7GHz for 7950X3D.

this means that only CCD0 will be useful for gaming.
For 7800X3D, the unique CCD will be stacked with 3DV Cache and will be also capped at 5GHz.

For 7900X3D and 7950X3D, Microsoft and AMD are currently Working together on W11 updates to manage CCD0 and CCD1 boost cores to avoid that CCD0 is not fully used for gaming.
Apparently, these optimizations will not be available on W10, which means that for W10 users, only 7800X3D will be usable.

concerning performances of 7950x3D and 7900X3D, as only one CCD will benefit of 3D Vcache, they will have probably same gaming performances as the 7800X3D for games which benefit of this Vcache technology.

for multithread performances, 7950X3D will have certainly less performances than 7950X as one CCD will be capped at 5GHz.

no static OC will be available on those 3D CPU’s apparently.
PBO/CO will be available.

 

Good breakdown - but do you have a source for a number of these statements - or just your opinion for now? CCD0 being locked to 5ghz: Are you sayiing its base and boost will be 5ghz? Or just its boost? Do you think the CCD0 of a 7950x3D won't be binned better to hit higher frequency than CCD0 of a 7800x3D. We know CCD1 will be better binned on a 7950x3D vs a 7900x3D given the higher listed boost clock.

 

Do you think the 7900X3D will be is 8C+4C CDD or 6C+6C CDD ?
A CCD0 with 8C with vcache + CCD 1 with 4C and higher boost clock could be better for games

 

6+6 for sure, which means they can bin better ccd'd for 7950x3d. I assume this boost a bit better than the 7800x3d and leave ccd's with a couple of bad cores they can turn off for the 7900x3d.

Apparently, these optimizations will not be available on W10, which means that for W10 users, only 7800X3D will be usable.

concerning performances of 7950x3D and 7900X3D, as only one CCD will benefit of 3D Vcache, they will have probably same gaming performances as the 7800X3D for games which benefit of this Vcache technology.



no static OC will be available on those 3D CPU’s apparently.

I think a more reliable way would be to use Process Lasso for each game/ app exe. Very messy, but probably the only way to get 7900/ 7950x3d work well. Trouble is Easy Anti Cheat doesN'T like it and that's widely used these days.
If it was easy enough to do, you could use the non x3d core for games that don't benefit from cache, but I think it would generally just be very problematic with some games/ apps.

I agree that its unlikely fixed multiplier overclocker will be available, but I wonder if Dynamic Switcher will be?

 

The fact that there is no given base clock for the 7800x3d, and that the 7900x3d’s base clock is different than the 7950x3d, implies different tiers of these 8c stacked cache ccds. Assuming that the indicated base clock is referring to the stacked cache ccd and not the high frequency ccd.

 

Base clk is a weird term, and I often wonder if its more an artificial way of segregating part performance, as it should always run way higher than that unless you were full all core load on the worst air cooling ever

 

I can’t wait more to see @J7SC benchmarks on his nice blue set ups 😜

 

What RAM is everyone planning on pairing with their CPUs? Going with this G.Skill 6400Mhz kit and plan on downclocking it to 6000Mhz, but hopefully I can tighten some timings along the way too.

 

Those are A-die, FWIW. I've been able to run mine at 6800C32, as well as 7200 and 7600 with looser timings. It's a decent kit for the price, the non-RGB version is currently $185 at Newegg.

EDIT: 68K OCN posts!! Wow...

 

F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5NR - Overview - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

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www.gskill.com

 

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-RGB-DDR5-%E2%80%94-Optimized-for-AMD/p/CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/DOMINATOR%C2%AE-PLATINUM-RGB-DDR5-Memory-for-AMD/p/CMT32GX5M2B6000Z30K

I think the above three kits are the best kits you can buy for AM5 right now.

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-develops-ddr5-7200-memory-chips

 

Probably for zen5 and meteor lake+

 

And we have a release date: February 14th. A nice Valentine's Day present for your significant other ❤

However - I can’t seem to find this on AMDs site at the moment, so I wonder if it was taken down after several outlets reported it this morning.

 

Team Group Offers JEDEC-standard DDR5-6400 Memory with Client Clock Drivers

To ensure compatibility with next-generation platforms, Team Group has pioneered the first high-performance 6400 MHz spec per JEDEC definitions for consumers to enjoy upgraded performances with ease i...

www.guru3d.com

 

so the vcache lineup is out on Feb14! That is faster than expected. Review samples will be going out end of the month, expect some leaks from china reviewers.

HEre is hoping the 7900X3d is a 8+4 sku, the perfect gamer/streamer chip!

 

The Feb 14 launch date has officially been scrubbed from the AMD website. The plot thickens…

 

At least we won't get screwed on Valentine's Day then.

 

AMD now says X3D won't be your date for Valentine's Day

Good news, your relationship might survive—you won't need to spend Valentine's Day standing in line at Micro Center.

www.pcworld.com

Seems like Feb 14th wasn't meant to be