ASSUMING this is real.

If it is, though, and considering it has fewer cores and more IPC, according to generational data we have right now, could this mean we're finally getting a single CCX 8/16 Ryzen CPU from AMD?

It would be a huge no-brainer for gaming. It would probably bring about a multi-year drought for Intel in that market.

 

I would love for this to be true, but we usually see leaked benches showing the new chip beating Intel's current offering, and then when it comes out, suddenly it's 10% slower lol.

I'm ready to purchase one, but I'd like to see some numbers from a reputable source..

 

Yeah of course, rumours are rumours after all. However, its not uncommon for truthful leaks to surface just before a product launch.

I'm fairly convinced that Zen 3 will be a notable CPU in the year to come.

 

What is happening on the 8th, again? Actual release or announcement of release?

Edit: "AMD is promising a "red" October, with next-generation Ryzen "Zen 3" launch on October 8, and next-generation Radeon RDNA2 launch on October 28."

 

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If it can oc to 5.3 I might believe this.

 

Why would it have to OC to 5.3? Surely IPC and process improvements (along with frequency uplift) could get it to similar performance?

 

Did I miss something? (Probably have). But why is it 5000 series and not 4000 series? Are they doing an Apple (iPhone 8 to iPhone 10)?

 

Based on what I've read the 4000 series is just going to be APUs, but Zen 3.

 

How does Ashes of the Singularity performance translate to general performance across the typical suite of benched games today (Far Cry 5, Crysis 3, Doom Eternal, Red Dead 2, Final Fantasy XIV etc.).

Ashes is burned in my mind as a bench for async compute. Which does not represent the majority of games unless I am mislead or misunderstanding the relevancy of benching in this game.

 

Apparently if you use faster ram, the score changes immensely on Ashes of the Singularity. I currently use a 3900x and hoping that AMD brings it to Intel, but we should all be skeptical.

Below screenshot shows 10900k scoring above 5900x on all batches with higher speed ram.

Someone did a test from earlier and he thinks that the benchmark for cpu fps is significantly bound by memory. Not actual memory capacity (having 64gb won't improve the performance) but the memory speed and timing. That is why the results are all over the place.

He got similar results for the cpu fps for both 4.7ghz oc and 5.1ghz oc keeping the same 4000mhz cl14 memory.
What's gotta be noted for the original 5800x bench leak's that the dude who did the bench is a reviewer who runs his tests at xmp according to many twitter leakers, the reason his 10900k bench is from so many months ago is that he did the bench for his 10900k launch review, and probably on 3600 xmp.
The new results posted today are probably from a benchmark chaser or extreme overclocker. His id's ufo and he did all of these benches in 2-3 hours, each time he benched he lowered the system configurations which is why the the top 9 results for 10900k belong to him. He scored 7000 7000 6900 6900 6700 6700 6600 6500 6500.
It would be great if someone with a 10900k and average memory could run a bench and compare the results against his, that way we'd know how far out his benches are from normal.
Edit
Confirmed that a stock 10900k run with 2933mhz ram scores similar to the "dputiger" 10900k at 112 cpu fps vs 113 cpu fps thanks to u/chaos7x

That means a few things probably

1. The aots benchmark for cpu fps is hugely affected by ram speed and it doesn't reflect cpu performance clearly
2. The benchmarks by user "ufo" are done on extreme memory speeds and timings, with over 166fps vs 113fps on average 10900k and memory. It doesn't reflect a normal score
3. The 5800x benchmark tells very little about zen3's performance because we know nothin about the memory, but some are guessing it's 3600 xmp (timings?) based on the "reviewer" history. That could explain why it's much faster than the 10900k. Edit, 10700k stock improves cpu fps score by 11% through 3600 xmp hitting 125 cpu fps compared to 133fps on 5800x

We're kinda back to zero for zen3 performance because the leaked bench is too affected by memory speed to tell much, but on similar memory speed the 5800x might be a little faster than 10900k in that heavily memory affected bench by 6.5%. Aots cpu fps scales different from normal games and should not be used to draw definite conclusions about cpu performance. It could be faster than a 10900k but we ain't gonna know how much it's ahead

 

Well I'm going to continue to remain skeptical. I can't wait and see what they do in more games, I don't have any frame of reference with AOTS.

 

Always wait for review before making a purchase decision, always take rumors with a pinch of salt. That said I think AMD has got a good line of CPUs for us. It makes a change from Skylake refreshes.

 

What is the spec/speed of forthcoming 5950X? how would it compare to my current I7 8700K de-liddied @5GHZ all 6 cores? Big flight sim fan here, some high end games too, currently on 32 GB ram and 12 GB Titan X Pascal and waiting for inevitable RTX 3080 Ti with hopefulyy 20 GB for 4K.

I have an upgrade itch that needs satisfied, would switch to AMD CPU's if the benefit was there.

 

I would imagine with rumored 5ghz one core and up to 4.8ghz all core seen in the 4700 desktop APU but thing is do you need to upgrade now or is it better to wait for next year when Ryzen 6000 (AM5) built on TSMC 5nm comes out with with DDR5 Support, USB 4 and other improvements. It's all how you want to spend your money for the next round of upgrades. That's where you would get an even bigger jump overall.

 

Lots going on with this, namely the usage of a meager 2080 at 4K. But it's interesting.

 

Nah, not that useful. way too many unknown variables and the benchmark isn't exactly a good analogue for most usage. Anyone that expects AMD's next gen 8-core to beat Intel's top 10-core in real-world usage by 20% is in for a rude awakening.

 

I expect AMD to finally pull ahead in raw single-threaded performance (compared to comet lake at least, I think Rocketlake will pull back ahead), but I don't know about an 8 core beating an intel 10 core.

 

Indeed, pretty sure I'll switch to high end AMD CPU this year for my Flight Sim and high end gaming use.

 

Yeah makes sense for you. I have an 3950x and i debated upgrading too. Went with path of waiting out for next year stuff.

 

What about 5800X and 5900X, which one should be better for gaming?

5800X is supposed to be 8 core CCX (8+0)
5900X is supposed to be 2x 6 core CCX (6+6)

 

I'll wait and see, was not planning to upgrade before Zen3 refresh anyway.

 

Im excitied to do some lower cost builds on amd 6 core offering as that is always the sweet spot for a pure game machine.


Personally ill sit on my 9900k at least till 2022. DDR5/pcie 4.0 and some decent thermals and a boost in single core will be nice. Cant see the need to move off 8 cores however any time soon.

 

Im excitied to do some lower cost builds on amd 6 core offering as that is always the sweet spot for a pure game machine.


Personally ill sit on my 9900k at least till 2022. DDR5/pcie 4.0 and some decent thermals and a boost in single core will be nice. Cant see the need to move off 8 cores however any time soon.

I believe 8 core might struggle at the end of this PS5/Xbox X/S generation (2024? 2025?), but only for hardcore users that actually demand multi thread usage, like gaming and streaming at the same time.

Any 8/16 CPU should be fine for general gaming for the next 4 years, unless you're playing high refresh rates.

 

Seems fishy that I have ONLY seen AotS benches.

 

AMD's next gen 8 cores beating intel 10 cores is plausible, I just wouldn't expect to see that much of a performance gap, especially in gaming.

 

intel 10 cores is plau

Whilst I think Intel will survive this, you make excellent points. Look at GE! A bellwether titan, now a shadow of its former self. Intel needs to get its ducks in one row soon, there is no doubt about it.

It would be beyond strange to see intel go the way of Cyrix!! Not likely, but isn't impossible either.

Definitely possible but GE collapse is total different level. Its combination of 2008 financial collapse - GE had GE Capital which was part of all the bad loans,etc plus bad investments into wrong sectors (wrong investment in renewable energy). They ended up selling the good parts of GE.

Not that it matters anyways the airline industry in the tank. The airplane leasing and airplane engine business is in bad shape now. Planes order getting cancelled, Tons of airplanes in the dessert somewhere in the states. The airbus a380 are all now retired officially. Government bailouts of airlines worldwide.

 

5850x is supposed to be 10 core CCX (5+5)?

 

Damn... if this real (5900x) that's a nice improvement. Although there's no clock speed.

 

Damn... if this real (5900x) that's a nice improvement. Although there's no clock speed.

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Wow, that would wipe the floor with current offerings. Since I'm already on AM4(and x570) I'm definitely switching to the 5950x, I've already got some parts in as I'm in the stage of planning to rebuild my loop in a different case(I want better airflow support and thicker rads), hopefully also switching to a 6900xt/3080ti to finally get of my 1080ti, its done well but the time has come for upgrades

 

Ashes has always favored AMD, but it's still impressive.

 

Intel is in hot water right now..... Japan has the fastest ARM based datacenter, and Intel is lacking the cores and security now. Many people are removing the spectar and melt down patches from Linux because of the massive performance hits..... Arm is probably the future of datacenter computing as you can stack tons of small chips on boards to get massive power gains.... Power9 has many benchmarks near platinum 8280 with Power10 chips on the way. Not to mention power 10 chips are open source.... and are picking up steam. AMD has Epyc now... Intel had a huge market in the datacenter industry but with ARM, Power10 and AMD making massive moves on the datacenter industry being 1 generation behind for this Amount of time has the potential to put Intel in the history books with Compaq. Intel is falling behind in performance while having security holes... IBM Power CPU has fixed that as its completely open source.....

IBM Power cpus with massive amount of thread processing and open source CPU.
AMD with tons of cores...
ARM being very small stackable chips.....

Intel would have to make some huge moves and soon if they don't want to disappear. The market is changing and FAST!

If you look at history some of the biggest companies in the world vanish over night like this...

 

Intel is in hot water right now..... Japan has the fastest ARM based datacenter, and Intel is lacking the cores and security now. Many people are removing the spectar and melt down patches from Linux because of the massive performance hits..... Arm is probably the future of datacenter computing as you can stack tons of small chips on boards to get massive power gains.... Power9 has many benchmarks near platinum 8280 with Power10 chips on the way. Not to mention power 10 chips are open source.... and are picking up steam. AMD has Epyc now... Intel had a huge market in the datacenter industry but with ARM, Power10 and AMD making massive moves on the datacenter industry being 1 generation behind for this Amount of time has the potential to put Intel in the history books with Compaq. Intel is falling behind in performance while having security holes... IBM Power CPU has fixed that as its completely open source.....

IBM Power cpus with massive amount of thread processing and open source CPU.
AMD with tons of cores...
ARM being very small stackable chips.....

Intel would have to make some huge moves and soon if they don't want to disappear. The market is changing and FAST!

If you look at history some of the biggest companies in the world vanish over night like this...

Whilst I think Intel will survive this, you make excellent points. Look at GE! A bellwether titan, now a shadow of its former self. Intel needs to get its ducks in one row soon, there is no doubt about it.

It would be beyond strange to see intel go the way of Cyrix!! Not likely, but isn't impossible either.

 

Yeah, Zen+ screwed it up. At least they stopped with the + before they got into Intel ++++++ meme territory.

 

x86 has to go. I don't care if it's RISC-V, ARM, or POWER10, something has to take off — preferably something open source. It's ridiculous that so much of the computing market is held hostage by deals Intel struck decades ago. An open architecture would bring so many advantages.

 

X86 still exist due to Microsoft and programmers greed and AMD finding a solution to keep backwards compatibility.