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#16,781 · (Edited)
Gnerma said:
So here's a weird one. Everything stock. I've flashed my almost 2 year old Aorus Elite 1.0's BIOS over a dozen times. After flashing F35a things got hitchy in BIOS but seemed to work. Today I tried to enter BIOS but couldn't, it wasn't responding to the DEL key. I tried pulling the battery, no go. I flashed F34 with the @BIOS Windows utility (which seemed to install fine) and it loaded up once in which I loaded optimized defaults and now it's having the same issue. Have you seen this before? What can I try to root this out? Does Q-Flash+ work with a otherwise working system?
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The only time that has happened with me is when I tried using a bios setting that absolutely would not work with my hardware--I've had it lock up just as you describe. It's pretty easy to reverse, though--just reset CMOS (no need to fuss with the battery), and then reflash with Q-flash. Then go into your bios and manually set each value to what you know works before you try to boot! I never load "optimized defaults", btw. Closest thing I ever do is load the setting from a saved bios config I've done myself. Save it to your bios USB thumb drive when you get it like you like it--that way, should something happen and the bios freezes or craps out on you, you won't lose the setting like you will if you save them to the 1-8 positions in the bios itself. Much better to save your bios configs on a drive, imo.

It takes me about 60-90 seconds to zip through all of the bios pages and place the proper settings I want manually (Advanced mode)--that assures you of getting those values right. If you've done it more than a few times you should have them all memorized by now. Another thing--once I had a ram DIMM only partially seated in its slot--when it appeared to be correctly seated...so reseat your ram DIMMs and check your GPU power pins (I've forgotten to hook one up at least once, etc), and that sort of thing.
 
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#16,783 · (Edited)
Is there any official thread to write about bugs and issues or should I do this here?

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I am on Ryzen 5950X, RTX 3090 and X570 Aorus Master v1.2 @ F33 BIOS, my known bugs:

-USB issue related to GPU on PCIe 4.0 mode still present, but now it is only very rarely disconnects and automaticaly connects devices (mouse, mousepad, keyboard), so not something very bad, they work, but I hear every several days "unplug/plug" sound in Windows and see their light go out for a 0,001s.

-USB power sometimes stays on - mouse, mousepad or keyboard sometimes still are having their LEDs on. One at the time, not every of them. Turning on/off PC helps. (Razer Deathadder V2 Pro over WiFi dongle, Razer Firefly Cloth Edition, Razer Blackwidow Chroma V2 orange switch)

-FCLK/Infinity Fabric (IF) bugs when set to 1900MHz. RAM timings go crazy, if only they manage to go past BIOS to Windows. I do not remember if I was able to set 1:1:1 ratio, but even if - timings on RAM were destroyed... It is not RAM related as I could run them on faster FCLK and RAM speeds without such problems and their XMP is very high rated. Definietly BIOS/AGESA bug.

-Higher FCLK speeds (1933/1966/2000MHz) let me go to Windows, does not make RAM go crazy, but they give me WHEAs in OCCT.

-SoC Voltage reading is lowered in HWinfo, lowered in BIOS PC Health and not always same as BIOS setting in Ryzen Master.

-BIOS lags -> if CSM is disabled (and it has to be if I enable Resizable BAR for GPU?); workaround: CTRL+ALT+F6 to enable VGA mode in BIOS (a bit lower resolution, but it is more smooth).

-My Ryzen 5950X @ stock, previously (F31 BIOS) hit 5050MHz, now (F33 BIOS) it is hitting 5000MHz.

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My setup is:
CPU: Ryzen 5950X @ stock
CPU cooler: Kraken X73 @ top exhaust, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme paste
GPU: RTX 3090 TUF OC @ MSI Afterburner auto OC custom curve, 1920Mhz core max, +200MHz memory, +7% power limit, V3 BIOS
RAM: 2x16GB 3733MHz CL14-15-15-15-29, subtimings tweaked @ 1.44V (G.SKILL F4-4000C14D-32GTZN, 4000MHz CL14 1.55V)
Mobo: X570 Aorus Master v1.2 @ F33 BIOS
SDD (main): WD SN850 1TB PCIe 4.0
SSD (storage): RAID 0 -> 2x XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB (SM2262ENG controller) PCIe 3.0
PSU: BeQuiet Dark Power Pro 12 1200W
Other: Sound Blaster AE-9
Case: Phanteks P500A with 3 front intake, 1 rear exhaust 140mm fans

Regards.
 
#16,784 ·
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About the BIOS lag, it's only present with an Nvidia GPU, with AMD GPU there are no issues. I had the lag with the 1080Ti but it went away with the 6800XT
 
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#16,785 · (Edited)
CattBoy said:
Feedback from F34a after a few weeks

Issue: Audio crackling when using X570 Audio ports on back mobo of the F_AUDIO port on mobo (cases 3.5 jack plugged into it). audio sound cracking (radio tuning frequency sound).

Have updated to latest driver on mobo website
Realtek HD Audio Driver
(Note) Win10 ver.20H2 supported.
[6.0.9126.1]


I searched this thread... Looks like some random combination of VDDP/IOD/CCD/SOC, may make the crackling go away. Tried monkeying with it, no luck



--- Everything else's working great, 1900 IF stable @ cas14, decent temps and 0 crashes
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I have audio crackling (occasionaly and totally random) since forever. Tried out everything, literally everything. 3 RMAs of my USB soundcard, Stock settings CPU/RAM, related Voltages up to 1150mV and windows timer latency. It is 100% AGESA bug, which AMD confirmed months ago, and it still won't work with AGESA 1.2.0.3...even tho they claimed a fixed status for 1.2.0.2....

It was a bit better when i switched to Zen3 but still present. Back on Zen2 it is driving me nuts in games like Star Citizen, where the CPU gets ****ed 24/7 at 60-70% loads (8Core cpus).
 
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#16,786 ·
Yuke said:
I have audio crackling (occasionaly and totally random) since forever. Tried out everything, literally everything. 3 RMAs of my USB soundcard, Stock settings CPU/RAM, related Voltages up to 1150mV and windows timer latency. It is 100% AGESA bug, which AMD confirmed months ago, and it still won't work with AGESA 1.2.0.3...even tho they claimed a fixed status for 1.2.0.2....

It was a bit better when i switched to Zen3 but still present. Back on Zen2 it is driving me nuts in games like Star Citizen, where the CPU gets ****ed 24/7 at 60-70% loads (8Core cpus).
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If I find a fix, I'll let you know. Luckily most of the time I'm using BT headphones, which avoids the problem but when I wanna use 3.5mm stereo I have to drown it out with another sound

Fingers cross F34 final has a black magic fix, whenever that comes :)
 
#16,788 ·
Yuke said:
I have audio crackling (occasionaly and totally random) since forever. Tried out everything, literally everything. 3 RMAs of my USB soundcard, Stock settings CPU/RAM, related Voltages up to 1150mV and windows timer latency. It is 100% AGESA bug, which AMD confirmed months ago, and it still won't work with AGESA 1.2.0.3...even tho they claimed a fixed status for 1.2.0.2....

It was a bit better when i switched to Zen3 but still present. Back on Zen2 it is driving me nuts in games like Star Citizen, where the CPU gets ****ed 24/7 at 60-70% loads (8Core cpus).
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Same motherboard--never had the crackling sound problem even once in the past 24 months, using every bios, including betas, starting with bios F3, the bios my board shipped with two years ago. I have no idea why people with the x570 Master use USB sound cards. ( I never buy them and never use them because of negative experiences in the one or two USB sound cards I bought years ago. Learned my lesson well...;))

The x570 Master through the HD audio jack is capable of producing far superior sound compared with any USB sound card I know of--sans crackling, too! x570 Master ships with three PCIe hardware components that hang off the PCIe bus, the RealTek 1220VB, the SABRE 9118 hardware DAC, and a smart headphone amplifier. The PCIe bus in the x570 has gobs more bandwidth available to it than the USB bus will make available to the USB sound card, and the crackling you hear is the result of bus contention--with the USB bus vying for more bandwidth in contention with the other buses in the system.

If you ditch the USB sound card, and either use the onboard sound, or buy a PCIe sound card--then you'll never hear the crackling again. (The onboard sound on the Master is a custom sound device on the Master & you must use the driver for it on the Gigabyte driver page, accordingly--if you don't and you try to use an ordinary RealTek sound-card driver, instead, the degradation in sound quality will be substantial!) One of the reasons I bought the x570 Master two years ago was thinking that the onboard sound hardware would save me having to buy a PCIe sound card, and was I ever pleased with the onboard sound as it was much better even than I had anticipated!

Would you put your GPU on the USB bus if you could? Of course not--the bandwidth just isn't there. The PCIe bus is the bus with the bandwidth, especially for graphics and sound, and especially for gaming requirements.
 
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#16,789 ·
Waltc said:
Same motherboard--never had the crackling sound problem even once in the past 24 months, using every bios, including betas, starting with bios F3, the bios my board shipped with two years ago. I have no idea why people with the x570 Master use USB sound cards. ( I never buy them and never use them because of negative experiences in the one or two USB sound cards I bought years ago. Learned my lesson well...;))

The x570 Master through the HD audio jack is capable of producing far superior sound compared with any USB sound card I know of--sans crackling, too! x570 Master ships with three PCIe hardware components that hang off the PCIe bus, the RealTek 1220VB, the SABRE 9118 hardware DAC, and a smart headphone amplifier. The PCIe bus in the x570 has gobs more bandwidth available to it than the USB bus will make available to the USB sound card, and the crackling you hear is the result of bus contention--with the USB bus vying for more bandwidth in contention with the other buses in the system.

If you ditch the USB sound card, and either use the onboard sound, or buy a PCIe sound card--then you'll never hear the crackling again. (The onboard sound on the Master is a custom sound device on the Master & you must use the driver for it on the Gigabyte driver page, accordingly--if you don't and you try to use an ordinary RealTek sound-card driver, instead, the degradation in sound quality will be substantial!) One of the reasons I bought the x570 Master two years ago was thinking that the onboard sound hardware would save me having to buy a PCIe sound card, and was I ever pleased with the onboard sound as it was much better even than I had anticipated!

Would you put your GPU on the USB bus if you could? Of course not--the bandwidth just isn't there. The PCIe bus is the bus with the bandwidth, especially for graphics and sound, and especially for gaming requirements.
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The best soundcards are USB DAC's. Though you have to know what you are buying. Most are only 2-channel also. They aren't "gamer" soundcards. Most of those are garbage in measurements, for a comparison.
Though the onboard Sound on the better Gigabyte are usually as good as any of the other "gamer" soundcards.
The USB issue has nothing to do with the lack of bandwidth there for the sound in general.
The USB issue is a siliicon/singnaling issue in the Ryzen IMC as far as I can tell. Too high variance of "allowed" bad silicon that cant manage what they are supposed to manage with the stock voltage settings.
 
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#16,790 · (Edited)
Nighthog said:
The USB issue has nothing to do with the lack of bandwidth there for the sound in general.
The USB issue is a siliicon/singnaling issue in the Ryzen IMC as far as I can tell. Too high variance of "allowed" bad silicon that cant manage what they are supposed to manage with the stock voltage settings.
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Agree. This was my understanding of the situation as well.

Nighthog said:
The best soundcards are USB DAC's. Though you have to know what you are buying. Most are only 2-channel also. They aren't "gamer" soundcards. Most of those are garbage in measurements, for a comparison.
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YMMV greatly with USB sound cards. I've had great luck with my SoundBlaster X3, which I purchased long before I swapped over to the X570 setup I have now. It works with no issues on my gaming rig and my home-office rig (B550i Aorus Pro AX), and it's nice that the onboard profile travels with the sound card, so there's no fiddling with settings to make each board's onboard sound act the same with my analog headset and modmic.

To each their own! :)
 
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#16,791 ·
CS9K said:
Agree. This was my understanding of the situation as well.



YMMV greatly with USB sound cards. I've had great luck with my SoundBlaster X3, which I purchased long before I swapped over to the X570 setup I have now. It works with no issues on my gaming rig and my home-office rig (B550i Aorus Pro AX), and it's nice that the onboard profile travels with the sound card, so there's no fiddling with settings to make each board's onboard sound act the same with my analog headset and modmic.

To each their own! :)
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Basically I meant don't look for a "soundcard" look for something sold as "DAC". Those have much higher performance levels if you know what you are looking at, and take time to read some reviews & measurements of those.
They aren't directly sold for "PC" usage. But your get lots of performance for the price VS cost of a "soundcard" sold for PC's.

They aren't sold under your usual brand names you know from the PC side.
AudioScienceReview is a site I found interesting for this stuff.
 
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#16,792 ·
Waltc said:
Same motherboard--never had the crackling sound problem even once in the past 24 months, using every bios, including betas, starting with bios F3, the bios my board shipped with two years ago. I have no idea why people with the x570 Master use USB sound cards. ( I never buy them and never use them because of negative experiences in the one or two USB sound cards I bought years ago. Learned my lesson well...;))

The x570 Master through the HD audio jack is capable of producing far superior sound compared with any USB sound card I know of--sans crackling, too! x570 Master ships with three PCIe hardware components that hang off the PCIe bus, the RealTek 1220VB, the SABRE 9118 hardware DAC, and a smart headphone amplifier. The PCIe bus in the x570 has gobs more bandwidth available to it than the USB bus will make available to the USB sound card, and the crackling you hear is the result of bus contention--with the USB bus vying for more bandwidth in contention with the other buses in the system.

If you ditch the USB sound card, and either use the onboard sound, or buy a PCIe sound card--then you'll never hear the crackling again. (The onboard sound on the Master is a custom sound device on the Master & you must use the driver for it on the Gigabyte driver page, accordingly--if you don't and you try to use an ordinary RealTek sound-card driver, instead, the degradation in sound quality will be substantial!) One of the reasons I bought the x570 Master two years ago was thinking that the onboard sound hardware would save me having to buy a PCIe sound card, and was I ever pleased with the onboard sound as it was much better even than I had anticipated!

Would you put your GPU on the USB bus if you could? Of course not--the bandwidth just isn't there. The PCIe bus is the bus with the bandwidth, especially for graphics and sound, and especially for gaming requirements.
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To be quick, no.
USB goes through the PCIe connections to communicate to the cpu anyway and the audio issues can be replicated on the onboard audio dac.
As they say ignorance is bliss.
 
#16,793 ·
KENJI512 said:
Is there any official thread to write about bugs and issues or should I do this here?

---

I am on Ryzen 5950X, RTX 3090 and X570 Aorus Master v1.2 @ F33 BIOS, my known bugs:

-USB issue related to GPU on PCIe 4.0 mode still present, but now it is only very rarely disconnects and automaticaly connects devices (mouse, mousepad, keyboard), so not something very bad, they work, but I hear every several days "unplug/plug" sound in Windows and see their light go out for a 0,001s.

-FCLK/Infinity Fabric (IF) bugs when set to 1900MHz. RAM timings go crazy, if only they manage to go past BIOS to Windows. I do not remember if I was able to set 1:1:1 ratio, but even if - timings on RAM were destroyed... It is not RAM related as I could run them on faster FCLK and RAM speeds without such problems and their XMP is very high rated. Definietly BIOS/AGESA bug.

-Higher FCLK speeds (1933/1966/2000MHz) let me go to Windows, does not make RAM go crazy, but they give me WHEAs in OCCT.

-SoC Voltage reading is lowered in HWinfo, lowered in BIOS PC Health and not always same as BIOS setting in Ryzen Master.

-BIOS lags -> if CSM is disabled (and it has to be if I enable Resizable BAR for GPU?); workaround: CTRL+ALT+F6 to enable VGA mode in BIOS (a bit lower resolution, but it is more smooth).

-My Ryzen 5950X @ stock, previously (F31 BIOS) hit 5050MHz, now (F33 BIOS) it is hitting 5000MHz.

---

My setup is:
CPU: Ryzen 5950X @ stock
CPU cooler: Kraken X73 @ top exhaust, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme paste
GPU: RTX 3090 TUF OC @ MSI Afterburner auto OC custom curve, 1920Mhz core max, +200MHz memory, +7% power limit, V3 BIOS
RAM: 2x16GB 3733MHz CL14-15-15-15-29, subtimings tweaked @ 1.44V (G.SKILL F4-4000C14D-32GTZN, 4000MHz CL14 1.55V)
Mobo: X570 Aorus Master v1.2 @ F33 BIOS
SDD (main): WD SN850 1TB PCIe 4.0
SSD (storage): RAID 0 -> 2x XPG SX8200 Pro 2TB (SM2262ENG controller) PCIe 3.0
PSU: BeQuiet Dark Power Pro 12 1200W
Other: Sound Blaster AE-9
Case: Phanteks P500A with 3 front intake, 1 rear exhaust 140mm fans

Regards.
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I get the same with my 5950 only rarely boosting to 5000 now on a couple of cores where previously the first eight would all hit 5000. A few regularly went to 5050 but now never.
 
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Nighthog said:
The best soundcards are USB DAC's. Though you have to know what you are buying. Most are only 2-channel also. They aren't "gamer" soundcards. Most of those are garbage in measurements, for a comparison.
Though the onboard Sound on the better Gigabyte are usually as good as any of the other "gamer" soundcards.
The USB issue has nothing to do with the lack of bandwidth there for the sound in general.
The USB issue is a siliicon/singnaling issue in the Ryzen IMC as far as I can tell. Too high variance of "allowed" bad silicon that cant manage what they are supposed to manage with the stock voltage settings.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree then...;) Worst sound cards I've ever owned were USB--it's why I don't buy them anymore--I've never heard the first crackle in > two years with this motherboard using the onboard PCIe sound devices. Also, "crackling sound" was a common problem many years ago on the standard PCI bus (before PCIe), and it was always caused by bus contention--PCI sound cards and GPUs fighting over the PCI bus bandwidth--sound cards always lost, IIRC. PCIe, otoh, has far more bandwidth available to it than USB. I daresay it does no good to have a great DAC if you are also getting sound crackling...;)
 
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#16,795 ·
PopReference said:
To be quick, no.
USB goes through the PCIe connections to communicate to the cpu anyway and the audio issues can be replicated on the onboard audio dac.
As they say ignorance is bliss.
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To be quicker, no...;) Got some real diehards out here, I see...nope, sorry to disillusion you but I havent heard sound crackling on any motherboard I've ever had since I stopped using USB sound many years ago because of all the crackling it engendered because of the well-known and well-understood problem of PCI bus contention among bus devices at the time. Suit yourself and live with the crackling, however--I didn't realize how many were so fond of it, evidently.

I see dumping the USB sound card as nothing but solid advice which I myself follow and am rewarded with no crackling sound problems. I note that often on the Internet you can lead the horse to water...etc.
 
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#16,796 ·
Waltc said:
I see dumping the USB sound card as nothing but solid advice which I myself follow and am rewarded with no crackling sound problems. I note that often on the Internet you can lead the horse to water...etc.
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Yeah, not a very polite answer @PopReference...

But he's right; your experience with USB soundcards is outdated.
There are no such issues today; USB is a Host-based protocol and with the old CPUs the protocol was too primitive and the OS wasn't capable enough to reserve CPU cycles and priority to handle real-time audio.
Today with Windows 10 and new CPUs which have a lot of processing power this is not a problem anymore.

The hi-end USB soundcards usually have a much better DAC and components and doesn't suffer from the EMI storm which is the environment inside the case.
It's a bit like eating in a Michelin's star restaurant in a polluted and noisy city or in the countryside.
Even with a massive shielding it's better for any analog output to be as far as possible form the case.
If you use the analog output with a decent Hi-Fi or an hi-end headphone the difference is substantial.
No bandwidth issue either; even at USB 2.0 speed which is 480 Mbps there's enough bandwidth to process more than a couple of hi bitrate multi channels streams in real-time.

There are crackling and popping issues with the on-board audio solutions.
Often is the CPU but not only, there are many other reasons too.
Didn't suffer from this issue myself; only at the beginning with the 3800x an it was fixed with the right SOC/IOD/CCD voltages.
But in some cases seems there's no way to fix it, no matter what.
And seems to be a problem as well with USB soundcards as @Yuke is still struggling with it.
 
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Wow! I can't believe AMD is paying both way shipping for RMAing my 5900x. Let's see if this works out eventually and get a good piece of silicon
 
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